OTC: 3 Local CFB Teams Go Into Weekend As Underdogs / Chiefs In Trouble? / How Bad Are Things At K-State?

“With games at Oklahoma State and at home with Baylor, (Kansas State) is staring down the barrel of 2-4 at mid-season. So what are you saving things for? What are you waiting for? If you have things in your playbook, when are you going to use them? Particularly if you probably only have the rest of this season and next year, which is what I kind of expect is going on but I don’t know for sure. When? Just open it up and go play some football! Let this offense have some fun!”
Tim Fitzgerald, of GoPowerCat.com, on the belief that Bill Snyder has yet to roll out his entire playbook this season – a season that may be the prelude to his finale at K-State, 810 AM
GH: There has been a lot of discussion this week on whether or not Mizzou’s game at Vanderbilt is a season maker or a season breaker for the Tigers. But no game this week is more pivotal for an area team than K-State’s trip to Stillwater. Another loss will send Wildcats fans reeling and the Bill Snyder watch will be on. An old coach is an icon when he’s wining and a dinosaur when he’s losing. Read on.

“For the first time it’s like K-State fans are saying, ‘What is Bill Snyder doing?’”
Danny Clinkscale, 810 AM

“This (K-State) team seems so uptight. They have been since game one against North Dakota State. They seem so uptight that they just can’t perform.”
Tim Fitzgerald, 810 AM

“It looks like there’s a coaching staff tug of war (at K-State). Like they are all trying to decide what to do and they’re all compromising giving little bits and pieces to each other and trying what everybody thinks should be done. Somebody step up and make a decision and say, ‘This is what we’ve got to do! We’ve got a kid who can throw the football – let’s go with it!’”
Kevin Kietzman, 810 AM
GH: Somebody? Like there are multiple voices who have a say at Kansas State? I doubt there is a more totalitarian run program in all of college football than Bill Snyder’s empire at KSU. And why would he listen to anyone else? His way has worked miracles in the past.

“It looks like different guys are calling the plays on different plays. I know that’s not happening but that’s what it looks like. It doesn’t add up to one cohesive plan right now.”
Tim Fitzgerald, 810 AM
GH: All of the criticism I am hearing from the K-State fans like Fitzgerald and Kietzman has to do with their unhappiness with the Cats’ offense. Well, I think it’s the defense that looks most unSnyderlike. Collin Klein was a freak at quarterback for KSU. He’s not coming back and K-State is not going to control the ball for 10-minute drives this season. What Klein did was incredible.

“I will make the argument that relative to the (Big 12) league, the talent level isn’t down at all at K-State! … I don’t see anything great out there. I don’t see any team that they can’t beat.”
Kevin Kietzman, 810 AM
GH: Klein made the Wildcat offensive line look like future NFL starters. Guess what? They aren’t as good as Klein made them look. The talent level hasn’t changed all that much except that Klein is no longer in the huddle – but that is one very large missing piece – even larger than Snyder still calling the shots.

“I never felt that John (Currie) was a long-term athletic director at Kansas State. I think a school will come and get him at some point. If you’re a K-State fan you hope he sticks around long enough to build some more facilities. I’ll give John Currie this, when he builds something, he builds it right. It seems that every project built before John Currie was, ‘what can we get by with?’ ”
Tim Fitzgerald, 810 AM

“If (Tyler Lockett) stays for all four years – and I believe he’s the kind of kid who values education and doesn’t have stars in his eyes – he will be the best receiver in K-State history. I think Kevin Lockett (his father) is the best receiver and I wouldn’t put Tyler ahead of him yet.”
Stan Weber, 810 AM

“I think it’s bad luck for Kansas State to catch Oklahoma State coming off a loss the way they lost to West Virginia. This is a tough game for Kansas State. For them to win they have to change and be the old Kansas State. They have to not turn the ball over, play great defense and figure out a way to put points on the board. This is a really tough game for Kansas State. I would agree with the odds makers that this is probably a two-touchdown win for Oklahoma State.”
Gary Barnett, 810 AM

“I think there’s a chance. This is a game K-State could win but you’d never say it’s likely.”
Stan Weber, on KSU’s chances in Stillwater on Saturday, 810 AM

“Missouri’s got their hands full, let me tell you. This (Vanderbilt) team is as good as Missouri. This is a huge test! We’ll find out what Missouri is really made of. This is playing an upper-level top-half SEC team on the road. This is not a team that Missouri is better than. They’re as good as – but not better than.”
Gary Barnett, 810 AM
GH: Vandy is not like traveling to Iowa State in the 1990s. Vandy is more like traveling to Mizzou in the Chase Daniel years. This is going to be one tough test for MU.

“If Missouri has gotten over this thing where these are teams we SHOULD beat and get to the point of these are teams we HAVE to beat, then Missouri wins this football game.”
Gary Barnett, 810 AM
GH: This was my problem with what St. John was saying earlier this week about MU’s season hinging on their game at Vanderbilt – this is a toss-up game at BEST for MU. Losing this game won’t ruin the Tigers’ SEC season. Yes, they’ll need to pick up some wins maybe we didn’t think they could get but we are talking about Mizzou here. The Tigers haven’t earned anything close to being ordained an eight-win season as members of the SEC.

“I’ve been trying to say it’s not a team they should beat, but it’s a team they need to beat.”
Steven St. John, 810 AM
GH: Well, glad Barnett could talk some sense in to you, SSJ – because that’s not what you were saying earlier.

“Right now I’m picking Missouri 35-31 but I won’t be surprised if it goes the other way.”
Gabe DeArmond, of PowerMizzou.com, 810 AM
GH: Both DeArmond and St. John believe this game at Vandy is pivotal for the Tigers’ season. DeArmond has dubbed it “the game of the year” for Mizzou. If MU loses they’ll be 4-1. I just don’t understand the urgency. If Mizzou stinks, they’ll stink the rest of the season. But losing to Vandy is not a sign that the Tigers are a bad football team.

“The lower the score of this game the more it favors Kansas. I think Kansas has got to score 21 to 24 to be in the game. … Kansas and Texas Tech just have a history of playing weird football games with weird outcomes.”
Jon Kirby, JayhawkSlant.com, 810 AM
GH: Nate Bukaty was on a remote Friday morning in Lawrence neat 7th & Mass. He was trying to entice KU fans to come by and get free KU gear by showing him something that depicted KU football. A shirt, a key chain…anything. My question is on what Big 12 campus – or any other BCS campus would this be a somewhat rare occurrence? Late Night is tonight. KU football is all but over. Sorry, Charlie.

“You don’t look at it like, ‘You have to win this week to get this over with.’ But you make them aware of what the issues are. As the program is building, you have these hurdles you have to get over and this would be a good time to get over that hurdle. It’s Homecoming. 11 o’clock. Everybody’s gonna be fired up.”
Charlie Weis, on the Jayhawks extended 21-game losing streak in Big 12 football games, KUsports.com
GH: I think Kansas has the best chance of our three local college football teams to notch a win this Saturday. And I don’t like the Jayhawks’ chances much at all.

“I think character is revealed in games like this. I think this is going to be a really, really good football game.”
Kevin Harlan, who will be calling the Chiefs/Titans game this Sunday in Nashville on NBC, 810 AM

“It’s good to get recognized but as a player, never believe the hype. We here at the Chiefs, we’re a humble group. … You lead by example and I’m freaking grinding every day like we’re 0-4.”
Derrick Johnson, in an interview with Danny Parkins, 610 AM
GH: I love the attitude that the Chiefs are showing under Andy Reid. I was not in favor of bringing in another burned-out head coach but Reid is proving to be just what Kansas City needed.

“If I had to do it all over again I’d take Eric Fisher again. I think he has a tremendous upside. I still have a great feeling for him. I love the kid and I think he is a marvelous athlete.”
John Dorsey, after Parkins asked Dorsey if he would still draft Fisher number-one overall, 610 AM

“What’s he going to say?”
Carrington Harrison, responding to Danny Parkins proclaiming that Dorsey’s comment about drafting Fisher again was a good one, 610 AM
GH: I just don’t know if Danny Clinkscale would be able to respond to Kevin Kietzman in this same blunt manner. Who am I kidding…of course he couldn’t.

“If we had our two daughters – and my wife will back me up on this – I’d give them to Bernard (Pollard) for four hours and say, ‘Do what you’ve got to do with them.’ I trust him with my daughters.”
Herm Edwards, trying to explain how much respect he has for his former defensive back who is now playing for the Titans, 810 AM
GH: Herm might trust Pollard but I would hope he would phrase that a bit better if that day ever comes.

“Two losses and Dwayne Bowe will be talking.”
Danny Clinkscale, who said he thinks the Chiefs threw the late TD pass to Bowe in the Giants game just to keep him happy, 810 AM
GH: Bowe continues to be the whipping boy for some of the media who think he is pouting about his lack of production. Maybe they’re right. But Bowe and the Chiefs’ coaching staff are all talking like he’s been a model citizen. We will continue to monitor the Bowe-flex situation.

“(Arrowhead) is still not quite where it was in the 9i0s but if they keep winning it will get back to where it was. It was great but it can get greater.”
Jayice Pearson, on the noise level at the Giants game, 610 AM
GH: Maybe we remember the 90s a bit too fondly. I remember guys urinating in the seats in front of me and fistfights breaking out like hives in the second half. I kind of like the more Johnson County-ish Arrowhead now that I’m an old guy.

“For the last 3 weeks, @DannyParkins has gone 1-11 ATS in the NFL.”
Carrington Harrison, @cdotharrison, Twitter
GH: Know someone with a gambling problem? Call 1-800-BETSOFF.

“I’ve had people tell me that Eric Bieniemy is the best running backs coach in the NFL. I’ve had a couple of people tell me that.”
Adam Teicher, on the Chiefs running backs coach, 810 AM
GH: My favorite Eric Bieniemy story dates back to his days as a Colorado running back. He was running all over  the Nebraska Cornhuskers one Saturday afternoon and the NU radio play-by-play guy, Kent Pavelka, called his name repeatedly during the broadcast. A little old lady who was listening was appalled at Pavelka and wrote into the newspaper to voice her displeasure. Her note chastised Pavelka for calling the Colorado running back, “Eric the Enemy” all game long.

“Most of the attention (at KU hoops media day) focused on Andrew Wiggins the number-one high school recruit in America. He’s a rental player. The Jayhawks counting on Andrew Wiggins to take them to the Final Four next April.”
Jack Harry, KSHB TV 41
GH: So Harry called Wiggins “a rental player” and then wonders why he catches heat from KU fans? I have a feeling Mad Jack’s Twitter is going to be vibrating all basketball season with Wiggins’ highlights.

“I think there’s as much hype around this season as any. In large part because of the unknowns. … This is the most talented class we have signed.”
Bill Self, on the Jayhawks much-anticipated basketball season, 610 AM
GH: I listened to the Jayhawk radio show on 610 one night this week and David Lawrence and the guy he had on with him pretty much have Kansas ranked somewhere between the Heat and the Spurs.

“(Kansas basketball) expectations are usually high. I don’t know if I’ve EVER seen it like this.”
Josh Klingler, 610 AM
GH: Agree. If Lew was still in Lawrence those hot after-market tix would be buying him a couple of Prairie Life Fitness Centers instead of a just new elliptical bike.

“I don’t know about (averaging 26 per game), but my team is going to be really good.”
Andrew Wiggins, when told by CBS’ Gary Parrish that Kevin Durant averaged 26/game at Texas, CBSsports.com

“Viewership for Kansas City Royals telecasts on FOX Sports Kansas City reached an all-time high in 2013. Ratings jumped 70 percent – the biggest increase in Major League Baseball. The 143 regular season broadcasts on FOX Sports Kansas City averaged a 6.4 household rating, up from a 3.8 in 2012, according to Nielsen Media Research. The Royals ranked sixth among all clubs, up from 15th last season.”
Royals’ press release
GH: Kansas City is a sports town. Read on.

  • Biggest ratings increase in MLB local market TV ratings this season, up 70 percent.
  • Highest season average ever for Royals cable telecasts, a 6.4 household rating.
  • Highest-rated Royals game ever on FOX Sports Kansas City: Aug. 13 vs. Miami (12.3)
  • Royals telecasts dominated Kansas City TV viewing in the summer, as FOX Sports Kansas City was the No. 1 channel in prime time on 45 nights from June through September.
  • Royals ratings have increased each of the last three seasons.

“Willie in Kansas City…”
John Stashour, CBS Sports Talk Radio, 1510 AM
GH: Yes, Wolverine Willie lives! On a not-so-recent Tuesday night on my evening commute I flipped over to 1510 AM to hear the familiar snarky tones of WW calling into Stashour’s show on ESPN Radio. Willie was having fun with the lack of orthodontia in the state of Nebraska and lamenting that RG3 will forever be using handicapped parking. And we thought the dude was long gone. Is he just honing his radio chops on 1510’s weak signal for a return to calling the local shows on 610 and 810? It is just a matter of time.


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38 Responses to OTC: 3 Local CFB Teams Go Into Weekend As Underdogs / Chiefs In Trouble? / How Bad Are Things At K-State?

  1. Kyle says:

    Greg, who is the 4th underdog? Last time I checked the Chiefs were 2 1/2 point favorites.

    missouri has the best chance to win this weekend. In fact, they should win. ksu has no defense. They can probably put up 31 on OSU but might give up 45. KU will lose by 3 TD’s.

    Jack Harry becomes more of a tool with each passing day.

  2. I heard “KC KC” call in to a show recently and I almost rolled out of bed. I thought that guy was dead! Willie too. Maybe if those dudes are coming out of retirement, Kenny Kenny can go into retirement. Join MU Dog and JP there.

  3. JP says:

    GH: I think Kansas has the best chance of our three local college football teams to notch a win this Saturday. And I don’t like the Jayhawks’ chances much at all.

    Greg, I tend to agree with you. I do think the Mo/Vandy game may be a coin toss type, but KU isn’t beating Tech, they never do in football. With Late Night here, basketball season is officially here at KU. As for K State, KK and Weber need to take the purple colored glasses off, it’s been their Defense that has been their undoing, and it will be tomorrow. I expect OK State to lay at least 40 on the Cats, and Baylor to potentially hit 60 next weekend. No amount of QB play will change that reality.

    The Chiefs caught a huge break playing Fitzpatrick instead of Locker. With Jake Locker, the Titans are a potential Wild Card team, without him, mediocre at best. Chiefs win in low scoring game, 13-10 and the turnover battle will effectively decide this game, like it decides most NFL games.

    One last point: Wasn’t Michael Beasley a Rent A Player? I didn’t hear squat about that, but KU does it and they’ve committed a mortal sin.

    • Barles James says:

      correction: Kansas doesn’t beat anyone in the Big 12. They’re within a game of the conference record for longest losing streak.

    • Kyle says:

      Jack’s pissed because mu can’t get a rent a player.

      • Keepinitrural says:

        Kyle’s pissed because KU will still lose in the third round of the tourney …

        • Kyle says:

          Few FF & NC banner’s hanging in the field house my friend. Your team hangs a banner for GETTING to the 3rd round.

        • ksmarine1980 says:

          Kansas State is one of the only BCS universities without a national championship in any major sport. Cow tipping and long-distance dung toss notwithstanding.

  4. Guy Who Says What Others Think says:

    Missouri is going to get beaten, and beaten badly at Vandy. Their defensive backs are downright atrocious(except for EJ Gaines), and couldn’t cover their own asses with both hands and a wool blanket. Especially safety Matt White. Yikes. Their defensive tackle depth is thin, and their linebackers are easily lost in space. I’ll be impressed if they stay within 10 points of the Commodores.

    • Keepinitrural says:

      Good call buddy, MU only up by 23 at half. I think your Jayhawk tail feathers are showing.

      • January says:

        Yeah, he and Greg are both experts, aren’t they?

        • Guy Who Says What Others Think says:

          MU defensive backs are still atrocious (except for Gaines). Defensive line was outstanding. MU backers still get lost in space. It’s looking more and more like Vandy’s 9 win season last year was a big fluke, as they play about as much defense as a Big 12 team.

          Oh, and Indiana beats Penn State? How awful is the Big 10?

  5. donkeypunch says:

    somebody please find the video of Willy getting blind-sided at the 810 turkey bowl from about 8 – 10 years ago. Classic. Dude was/is a tool

  6. P says:

    OSU losing to WVU was the worst thing that could happen to KSU. Gonna be a lot of empties and the Family Stadium this season…..good thing they expanded.

    KU will hang with TTU, but lose a close heartbreaker in the end.

    MU will beat Vandy.

    How about ISU getting hosed against UT….Whorns get all the breaks.

    Saw Pollard and his family on a Nashville to KC flight coming back from South Carolina with my family. Some guys you just see and think “yeah, he plays ball.”, Pollard fits that bill. He just looked scary, but was a pretty nice guy. His wife was not the most outgoing, but his kids and my kids wouldn’t quit talking to each other. Nice family.

    • Guy Who Says What Others Think says:

      Shocking. Texas still getting the calls from the zebras. They are well aware of who runs the show in the B12. A wise man once said…”BCS. That’s right, DOLLAR SIGNS!”

    • sporty says:

      BSFS is sold out for the year. This is not KU or MU. K-State has loyal fans.

      • Guy Who Says What Others Think says:

        KU gets boatraced on their homecoming, in front of a massive home crowd of 25,000 or so. What a total sh*tshow of a program KU is.

      • ksmarine1980 says:

        How quickly KSU fans forget the Ron Prince era. Loyalty is about showing up ALL THE TIME, not only when things are going well. Stan Parrish, Ron Prince, Tom Asbury and Jim Woolridge would question the loyalty of KSU fans.

  7. John Giardino says:

    Is it me or do the radio hosts in this town gamble (or at least talk about gambling) much more than the average sports fan?

    • Tim says:

      610 has 2 shows back to back on Saturday morning dedicated to gambling. If you need a good laugh, tune in. Especially the 2nd one, the guy used to call himself the G man. He gives his phone number out at least 50 times in one hour. Once he was on with Chris and Cowboy, and Cowboy asked him to give out his phone number “just in case nobody knows what it is” and Fats (or Jerry as he calls himself now) just blurted it out without realizing the sarcasm from Cowboy.

      • JP says:

        I’ve heard that show. They play “Who Let the Dogs Out” every 2 minutes on that show, and they keep talking about locks but never get around to picking any games.

    • Barles James says:

      agreed. Those dudes ooze of dirty, Vegas burnout. It’s the radio equivalent of replacing a Starbucks with a CASH FOR GOLD shop.

    • Gavin says:

      I had a friend once call one of those guys to get the “free pick of the week.” My buddy wasn’t much of a gambler, but he figured “Hey, it’s free.” Huge mistake. Now they have his cell and they call him all the time. They started off the first call by asking him how much he bet every week and it went downhill. He finally just said “I”m not that big a gambler. I just want the pick.” Guy on the other end got disgusted and said “Fine. Why are you wasting my time?” and then gave him the pick.

      The pick turned out to be correct and the dirtball called back and started trying to get him to pay for the service on a weekly basis and talking about how much money they could make together. Barles is right. Those guys ooze of dirty Vegas burnout but they also ooze one other thing: Desperation.

  8. Kyle says:

    Prayers to the family of Andre Maloney, SW West WR who just passed away. Heartbreaking.

  9. Buster McFillibuster says:

    Sunday after the game while stuck in parking lot traffic, I watched a guy pissing while a guy was on his knees next to him puking. I swear it looked as if the guy was pissing in the guys mouth causing him to puke. It was disturbing to say the least!

    • Barles James says:

      My first game at Arrowhead was as an 11-year-old in the 1980s. First time I go into a bathroom, a guy decked out in carharts is peeing in the corner behind the trash can. That is not the worst Arrowhead story I have.

    • Keepinitrural says:

      Then got in his Prius and drove back to Johnson County….

  10. Kerouac says:

    ~ How the Chiefs 4-0 was built (beyond the cumulative 3-13 record of their opponents to date) ~

    Offense, you won’t find a Chiefs player in the top 10 in rushing – the best Charles can manage is 14th… the KC QB isn’t found among the best either/not even top 20 (Smith is 22nd). Receivers? Bowe knows 83 other guys are ahead of him. Charles leads the Chiefs in receptions & rushing yards, yet for all his touches per game ranks 41st in total yards overall/only 4th among non QB’s. KC’s much maligned offensive line ranks middle of the pack in sacks allowed & would probably rank lower if not for the nimble feet of their QB.

    Special teams, returner Demps ranks 3rd (only 4 returns), his results skewed as McCluster’s (as other returners too NFL early season), latter’s 2nd place rank courtesy his long return last week. Punter Colquitt is 7th overall & kicker Succop 19th in field goal %. Chiefs rank middle of the pack (14th) defending vs punt returns & bottom end the NFL (25th) defending vs kickoff returns. One specialized breakdown ranks KC 3rd best in the NFL terms points created by their special teams.

    On defense, the Chiefs rank 26th in total yards allowed – yet they’ve allowed the least points in the NFL to date (they are 25th against the run & 2nd against the pass.) The KC team leader in tackles ranks 29th NFL overall, while another Chief is tied with two other NFL players for most sacks, as is the team tied with two other teams same. Chiefs rank near the middle of the pack interceptions but turnover ratio Chiefs +9 ties them with their Sunday opponent Tennessee for best in NFL. Of note, the aggressive KC defense has committed more penalties than has the Chiefs sputtering offense.

    Their cream puff schedule to date aside, stats appear validate KC has benefited from teamwork, opportunism, clutch play & intangibles, the whole being greater than the sum its parts… synergy; how long said continues only time will tell.

    Sunday, the Titans enter play 3-1, making them the first non-winless and/or above .500 team the Chiefs have played. Though they’ll be playing without their starting QB, I believe Tennessee wins, Chiefs game of smoke & mirrors mix solved:

    @TEN 20
    KC 16

  11. Keepinitrural says:

    Greg? You prefer the more Johnson County Arrowhead?…What a classless remark. I realize that the golf shirt wearing, in debt to your eyeballs, lawn manicuring, self loathing typical Johnson County-ite fancies themselves a shade better than than the rest of us. But the secrets out we know that the reason you all drive like a-holes is really just a symptom of the self loathing …of the fact that yes…yes you are the prototypical never has been, with a wife that simply tolerates you, a belly that you haven’t been able to shake since your frat days at KU where you cheered on a team made up of young men that came from neighborhoods just like those you avoid, a lawn that you piss money away on simply to keep up your subdivision status, and lastly a job that pays you just enough to juggle that debt you keep building up…but hey you got that JO plate on your car right, so your better than the rest of us! Pathetic…

  12. Java Man says:


    I was underground for the week. Thanks for the well rounded recap.

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