OTC: B12 Hoops Back In KC / KK Stiffs His Critics / Royals Hope Ventura Road To Postseason

“This is truly the best week in KC, and it all begins this morning. The @KCStar is your #Big12 pal, so drop by often!”
Jeff Rosen, @jeff_rosen88, sports editor of The Kansas City Star, Twitter
GH: One of the smartest things the Big 12 did is refuse to listen to those who did not want the men’s tournament to remain in Kansas City after MU moved to the SEC. There was a lot of wailing from the sports talk show shock jocks in town at that time, asking how you could host the tourney in a state without a team. Tell that to the tens of thousands of folks who are partying at the P&L this week. 

“The good thing is the weekend starts on Thursday this week. We are going to be covering the hell out of the tournament.”
Nate Bukaty, on the Big 12 tournament being in town this week, 810 AM
GH: I cannot imagine that there is much productive work getting done in Kansas City after 11:00 AM Thursday morning. How many of you will be getting paid to follow the tourney?

“I think the atmosphere will be dead Thursday night at Sprint Center.”
Steven St. John, on the evening games Thursday featuring no local draws in OU, West Virginia and Texas-based schools, 810 AM
GH: I don’t understand why the Big 12 doesn’t adjust game times to maximize their audience at all sessions. The three schools who drive attendance are Kansas, K-State and Iowa State. All three will be playing in Thursday’s afternoon session. This leaves the less popular teams — Baylor, Oklahoma, Texas and West Virginia – for the evening session. Teams might bitch about having a few less hours of rest time than their opponent, but I would make sure that Kansas and K-State always played their Thursday games in different sessions, despite their seed.

“Naadir has the keys; he’s got to drive the car. I really think it’s just on Naadir. If he’s ready to do that today (against Oklahoma State), they’re going to have a different Kansas team. If Naadir doesn’t want to guard today, everybody’s going to do what Naadir does. I have faith that he’s going to realize this is the big stage and it’s time to play defense.”
Elijah Johnson, former teammate of Naadir at KU, 810 AM

“I think Kansas fans need to toughen up (over losing Embiid). Look at those kids you’ve got coming off the bench! It’s not like you’ve got me coming off the bench to sub for Joel Embiid. I think there are still a lot of capable bodies on this KU squad and I think they need to realize that.”
Jay Heidrick, former K-State basketball player, 810 AM

“Kansas fans take everything as an insult. They really do – unless you’re clad head-to-toe in Rock Chalk Jayhawk.”
TJ Carpenter, evening host on 810 AM
GH: Kansas fans have been the target of a lot of 810’s programming this week. Kevin Kietzman has basically devoted his afternoon show to Jayhawk trolling. He continued Wednesday on both the air and in an online blog. KK just cannot get enough of that Kansas attention the Hawk fans so eagerly shower upon him. Read on.

“As a Kansas fan, you can be as mad as you want but you’re now getting more information (about Joel Embiid’s injury) because of this show.”
Kevin Kietzman, 810 AM
GH: Tom Keegan, the columnist for the Lawrence Journal-World confirmed this point when he came on KK’s show Wednesday and said Self’s quotes about Embiid’s injury timeline were due to Kietzman’s attack on the Kansas basketball coach and program the day before.

“I have a world of respect for Tom Keegan but this (article on KUSports.com) was nothing more than a recruiting letter.”
Kevin Kietzman, on Keegan’s article that quoted Bill Self discussing the timeline of Embiid’s injury, 810 AM
GH: This is why I have little respect for Kietzman’s work. How can he respect a columnist who he believes uses his newspaper to prop up the local team he is supposed to cover? If KK believes Keegan is simply a mouthpiece for Bill Self and his basketball program, why isn’t he as tough on his golfing buddy as he is on the head coach? It is hard to argue that whether you agree with what Self has done or not, he’s doing his job. But if Keegan is simply a lap dog for Self, he deserves every bit of the criticism Kietzman has hurled at Self.  

“I am just going to say it. I am done responding to anyone who accuses me of having an agenda or being biased. I got off the air (Tuesday) and I had 198 Twitter things. I took my thumb and voop, voop – they’re gone!”
Kevin Kietzman, 810 AM 

“I cannot, and will not, take any e-mail or Tweet seriously that accuses me or our show of bias. … no matter who your team is or what the issue is, know this. If you reach out to me in any way accusing me of an agenda or bias, I will laugh inside and you will have just complimented me on doing my job extremely well. It’s worked for nearly 17 years so pack your lunch. I’ve got at least 17 more left if I choose.”
Kevin Kietzman, in an open letter to his audience, whb810.com
GH: Somewhere along the road of Kietzman rising from Fox 4’s third-string sports guy – a job I thought he did very well – to becoming part owner of the city’s most popular sports talk radio station, Kevin forgot how he got where he is. His station’s slogan now mocks his own words. Powered by fans? Maybe their referring to the HVAC system at WHB?  

“I feel your sympathy, Kevin. We all know that Kansas is the beast that feeds many in this city. … I can feel your pain. … These people don’t have to agree with us. We never asked for that.””
Jack Harry, 810 AM
GH: Kietzman surrounds himself with people who agree with him – or in Jack Harry’s case feel sorry for him. If KK really wants to prove he’s unbiased than why not have the courage to include contrasting opinions on BTL? Instead, he has chosen to tell us he will no longer read the differing opinions from his audience via email or Twitter. Yeah, we feel your pain, Kevin. 

“Your team sucks. Your organization sucks. They’ve been very lucky. By the way, I’ve had better pizza in prison than I’ve had in ST. Louis.”
Danny Parkins, as he hung up on a caller from St. Louis who identified himself as a Cardinals fan, 610 AM
GH: It does not surprise me that Parkins graduated from the same school as Soren Petro. They both seem to have the same limited vocabulary when it comes to handling callers. 

“We all knew the first few days of free agency were going to be tough because the Chiefs aren’t linked with anyone. The only rumors about the Chiefs are about players leaving.”
Steven St. John, 810 AM
GH: After the news that Darren Sproles signed with the Eagles this morning, it looks like the Chiefs are adamant about building through the draft this offseason. The problem with that is they are going to need about 15 draft picks. 

“The smart teams wait and pluck from the second wave of free agents. I think that’s where the smart deals are made.”
Eric Edholm, NFL analyst for YahooSports.com, 610 AM
GH: Eric sounds like he learned his football at the knee of Carl Peterson. If John Elway is dumb, send some of that idiocy our way. 

“(Yordano) Ventura struck out Donaldson on 102-mph fastball, according to Athletics’ radar gun. One scout said, ‘I saw a lot of 101s.’ ”
Ken Rosenthal, @Ken_Rosenthal, on the young Royals pitcher’s performance Wednesday, Twitter
GH: Could this be the Royals’ Wacha Wacha?  

“Right now I’ve heard they want that kid (Yordano Ventura) to make the team. It’s just up to him to go out and show it.”
Mike McFarlane, on the Royals rookie flame-thrower, 810 AM
GH: I will never understand the caution that MLB teams use with their young pitchers. Ventura was brilliant in the minors last year and basically wasted one of his best years. His shelf life with his slight build is likely three seasons at most before he develops arm trouble. Why not use him while he’s young and healthy? 

“Every Royals game in September is on TV. When I look at the television schedule and see that it’s the most ever, it’s good to see that they’re all in. The Royals have moved past ‘phone-check’ status for me. With 156 games on television, that tells me that they’re expecting me to watch every single game. I’m very excited that for the first time probably since 2004, fan expectations and team expectations seem to be in the same place.”
Carrington Harrison, 610 AM

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30 Responses to OTC: B12 Hoops Back In KC / KK Stiffs His Critics / Royals Hope Ventura Road To Postseason

  1. Jim says:

    When KK is at his worst is when he’s at his best. The more outlandish and ridiculous he becomes, the more entertaining it is for me. Dude’s like a freaking car wreck. You can’t NOT listen. I do wonder though how many real friends the guy has. To be such a complete tool and hypocrite and still somehow have a big group of friends? Doubt it.

  2. carelessedonkey says:

    KK’s blog post was disgusting. Two spaces after every period!

  3. kylerohde says:

    All of us KU fans want KU basketball to be the most-covered, most-discussed team in town this time of year, and with that comes the criticism and over-analyzing. You can’t have one without the other. And a lot of KU fans get way too offended by all of it or are blinded by their crimson & blue glasses. I do my best to not be a KU apologist, just like Gavin, though I know from the comments the past couple days others on here don’t agree with that!

    That manifesto from KK was just pure KK. If you want to summarize the guy to somebody from outside KC, you couldn’t do much better than having them read that. From his list of all the times he’s “crusaded” against the mainstream to the ending where he completely contradicts his company’s “powered by fans” mantra, like Greg said, that thing was just hilarious.

    But he’s still better to listen to then Parkins. What an idiot. Lucky?? Hate the Cardinals all you want but it’s gotta come with the utmost respect for the way that franchise is run, which is better than any franchise in baseball over the past 15 years, IMO. Their pizza does suck though.

    • carelessdonkey says:

      Parkins is as annoying to me as KK, he’s just not as good at being terrible yet. I think a lot more people heard KK this week, too, because driving while listening to Royals preseason baseball is a narcoleptic disaster waiting to happen.

    • Gavin says:

      There are a lot of us that are too thin-skinned, true. But I’m pretty sure that’s true of fans of the fans of the other “local” schools as well. We live in a unique confluence where there are three “rival” (quotes because of the cold war rivalry concerning Mizzou and KU) schools involving two states separated by the thinnest of state lines, having historical origins and spreading now into two conferences. I think everyone perceives slights against their own school and we’re no different. God knows I have crimson-colored glasses, although I try to take them off, sometimes I can’t help myself.

  4. Orphan of the Road says:

    Someone should tell KK you can no more walk through this world without picking up predjucices and bias anymore than you could not sweat in Hell.

    I wonder if the lady doctor from KU Sports Medicine is treating his shoulder injury received from patting himself on the back too much?

  5. Gavin says:

    I listened to Kietzman yesterday and the weird thing that kept recurring in his diatribe disguised as a balanced search for only the truth is how he kept referring to Joel Embiid’s “handlers” (read: agents/runners/street agents) and how they were the ones dictating what Embiid was going to do or not do (in conjunction with Embiid’s family, of course). At no point did anyone, not Jack harry, not Clinkscale, anyone, ever think to ask Kietzman what he meant by “handlers” (which, of course everyone knows) or think to challenge Kietzman with a “Hey, Kevin, are you accusing Embiid or KU of an NCAA violation? What Handlers do you mean? Because that’s illegal and you know it.” Nope, everyone was just fine with allowing Kietzman to rampantly suggest that Embiid had all these “handlers” who were out there dictating how Embiid was going to handle the remainder of the season to protect his as yet undeclared NBA career.

    I don’t recall, but I wonder if Kietzman ever suggested that Michael Beasley or Bill Walker had any handlers?

    Good thing Kietzman doesn’t have an anti-KU bias.

    • carelessdonkey says:

      Not defending but I think he just meant people (friends, family, etc) who are close to him.

      • Gavin says:

        He might have, but he had already referred to family. He said “family and handlers.” And while I guess he could have meant friends, I don’t know why he wouldn’t have just said friends if that’s what he meant. In this context, “handlers” has a pretty specific and unsavory context so I think he knew what he was doing. To be charitable, I suppose it is possible he might have meant friends but I think that is being really, REALLY charitable.

        • yuri says:

          Well, there is the well established link with Moute. Not saying it is a negative link, the guy didn’t send him to his collegiate alma-mater, but he plucked him out of Cameroon, brought him to Florida, etc, etc.

          No guarantees, but I would bet lunch that he ends up with Moute’s agent when he goes pro.

          http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304856504579336823403493990

          • Gavin says:

            The Moute link is a fair one and I’m sure you’re right about the “lunch” at a minimum. But for Kietzman to go throwing that around so blithely is still pretty much beyond the pale.

  6. KK’s “letter” sounds like he’s turned into The Nature Boy Ric Flair. I’m waiting for him next to yank off one of his shoes and tell a listener that the shoe costs more than the listener’s house. If he starts also whoopin’ it up in falsetto shrieks, I’m going to know it’s time to get this guy some help.

  7. FJH says:

    As a KU fan, all of the constant criticism and hatred of Bill Self and the basketball program has become “white noise” to me. It’s there all of the time and it’s continuous, but it is just a drone in the background. It doesn’t really effect me or change anything. I will continue to trust Bill Self’s handling of (all aspects) the program, until there is a reason not to.

  8. Jayhawk Craig says:

    Good Lord, here comes KyleRohde and Gavin! I thought we sent a message to you two that we don’t need you freakin opinion about every time we read OTC! Please find a job that requires to work mornings. Once Greg posts his damn column,you guys have timed out!

    • Jim says:

      Yet you feel the need to comment on them each and every time. Pot meet kettle.

    • Alphonse Tooty says:

      Don’t mind Jim. He’s just pissed you haven’t included him in your rants. He posts as much as anyone.

  9. Owen says:

    Well said Jayhawk Craig. Give it a rest guys!

  10. Gavin says:

    I will say this, it isn’t Tom Keegan’s job, or that of the Lawrence Journal-World, to be the mouthpiece for KU athletics. Keegan should have asked the tougher questions of Self when he had the chance and if KU fans don’t like it, too bad.

  11. Harold says:

    All of us KU fans want KU basketball to be the most-covered, most-discussed team in town this time of year, and with that comes the criticism and over-analyzing. You can’t have one without the other. And a lot of KU fans get way too offended by all of it or are blinded by their crimson & blue glasses. I do my best to not be a KU apologist, just like Gavin, though I know from the comments the past couple days others on here don’t agree with that!

    That manifesto from KK was just pure KK. If you want to summarize the guy to somebody from outside KC, you couldn’t do much better than having them read that. From his list of all the times he’s “crusaded” against the mainstream to the ending where he completely contradicts his company’s “powered by fans” mantra, like Greg said, that thing was just hilarious.

    But he’s still better to listen to then Parkins. What an idiot. Lucky?? Hate the Cardinals all you want but it’s gotta come with the utmost respect for the way that franchise is run, which is better than any franchise in baseball over the past 15 years, IMO. Their pizza does suck though.

    I listened to Kietzman yesterday and the weird thing that kept recurring in his diatribe disguised as a balanced search for only the truth is how he kept referring to Joel Embiid’s “handlers” (read: agents/runners/street agents) and how they were the ones dictating what Embiid was going to do or not do (in conjunction with Embiid’s family, of course). At no point did anyone, not Jack harry, not Clinkscale, anyone, ever think to ask Kietzman what he meant by “handlers” (which, of course everyone knows) or think to challenge Kietzman with a “Hey, Kevin, are you accusing Embiid or KU of an NCAA violation? What Handlers do you mean? Because that’s illegal and you know it.” Nope, everyone was just fine with allowing Kietzman to rampantly suggest that Embiid had all these “handlers” who were out there dictating how Embiid was going to handle the remainder of the season to protect his as yet undeclared NBA career.

    I don’t recall, but I wonder if Kietzman ever suggested that Michael Beasley or Bill Walker had any handlers?

    Good thing Kietzman doesn’t have an anti-KU bias.

  12. Guy Who Says What Others Think says:

    LOL @Danny Parkins…whoever that is. I heard more intelligent drivel out of Dan Beebe in his last days of B12 “commissioner”. (read: Texas’ personal cowboy boot licker)

  13. Tim says:

    Hey now Guy, go easy on Dan Beebe. He’s still probably shattered that the fabulous rivalry he said Missouri had with Texas Tech is no more.

  14. Say What? says:

    I don’t know why saying Embiid has handlers is such an outrageous comment. Most of the one and done players have handlers, typically associated with an agent, that try to steer them in the right direction for their year of college.

    Do we really think Embiid or his family half a world away chose some doctor in LA by themselves?

  15. KCPRGuy1 says:

    Just curious, where is the schedule posted for who can post on here and when they are allowed to?

    • Kyle fan fan says:

      1. Kyle
      2. Some dupe account touting 810 “scooping” something

      These are daily posters.

      Everyone else is allowed one post per week except guy who writes War and Peace each time who’s never allowed to post again.

  16. JP says:

    Parkins line about the Pizza was way over the top. I love Imo’s Pizza, it is unique and the thin crust and cheese are so good. Nothing against Chicago style, but St. Louis style is easier to eat when you are in the car. I’m no Cardinal fan, but I respect the team and organization. Plus they do have the World Series titles and you have to respect that, whether you are a Royals or Cubs fan.

  17. Tiger Tom says:

    Attention everyone: Just wanted you to know that KyleRohde has a dentist appointment at 11:30 this morning. So if he is a little late responding to Greg’s Blog, you will know why.

  18. Ron says:

    I’m absolutely certain that a college degree is not necessary to be a successful sports radio talk show host. All of these bozos on the radio in Kansas City who act as though Syracuse is God’s gift to sports are delusional. There is no way any classes at Syracuse had any real impact on what Petro, Parkins, Wright, etc. do on the radio…unless they had classes like Gambling 101, How to Drone on and on about your Personal Life and Problems While on the Air, How to Talk for Four Hours While Guests and Callers can’t get a Word in edge-Wise; How to Milk every Single Advertiser on the Station for Cars, new Roofs, Food, and every other imaginable product ever made in the USA. Don Buerle and Don Fortune were much more personable and professional on-air than these guys, and I’m pretty sure none of them majored in broadcast journalism or ever stepped foot on the campus of Syracuse University. The Marketing department at Syracuse should get a Nobel Prize or something for convincing impressionable high school kids, radio program directors and the general public that their grads are the best this country has to offer sports talk radio stations.

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