OTC: Big 12’s Boss Comes Off As A Whiner With His “Cheating Pays” Speach / KK Tells KU Fans They Don’t Want To Know

“Enforcement is broken. The infractions committee hasn’t had a hearing in almost a year, and I think it’s not an understatement to say that cheating pays presently. If you seek to conspire to certainly bend the rules, you can do it successfully and probably not get caught in most occasions.”
Bob Bowlsby, Big 12 commissioner, Big 12 football media days
GH: Bowlsby made a viral splash with his ‘cheating pays’ declaration in front of the Big 12 and national media. Is he pointing his finger at the SEC? Is he making excuses as to why Big 12 football has almost disappeared from the national title game this last decade? It sounded like sour tortillas to me from the Big 12’s leading man.

“Bob Bowlsby stepped up and said what I’ve been saying for ten years. Now, when I’ve said these things (about it pays to cheat in college sports), I’ve been called a shock jock, Jerry Springer, clueless about sports, an exaggerator…you can’t even imagine the things. … I’m pleased and proud of Bob Bowlsby yesterday for commandeering all media days everywhere by saying it pays to cheat in college athletics. … He has won all media days.” Kevin Kietzman, 810 AM
GH: Sounds like Kietzman sure thought Bowlsby was trying to one-up Mike Slive, the SEC and all other conferences with his cheating pays speech. But is this what the Big 12 commissioner should be doing – picking fights with other conferences? I want my leader to speak from strength about our company or our conference. Bowlsby came off as a whiner.

“It is hard to justify paying student-athletes in football and men’s basketball and not recognizing the significant effort that swimmers and wrestlers and lacrosse players and track athletes all put in. Football and basketball players don’t work any harder than anybody else; they just happen to have the blessing of an adoring public who is willing to pay for the tickets and willing to buy the products on television that come with the high visibility. We have both a legal obligation and a moral obligation to do for female student-athletes and male Olympic sports athletes just exactly what we do for football and basketball student-athletes. I don’t think it’s even debatable.”
Bob Bowlsby, Big 12 commissioner, Big 12 football media days
GH: What? Why does Bowlsby make almost $2 million a year as the Big 12 commissioner? Yep, that same “adoring public who is willing to pay for the tickets and willing to buy the products on television” pays Bob’s salary. But he doesn’t see any room in his budget to pay the kids who do all the work? Bowlsby is half right – it is hard to justify.

“Bob Bowlsby is like every other NCAA admin. Cocky when it comes to competitive advantage, wimpy when it comes to the rights of athletes. Oh… and let’s not talk about ‘moral obligations,’ Bowlsby. You do your business in an ethical sinkhole, and you damned well know it.”
Doug Farrar, @SI_DougFarrar, Twitter
GH: Farrar nails it here by calling out Bowlsby on his “moral obligations” stance. What is moral about how college athletics has allowed grown men to become millionaires on the backs of unpaid college athletes?

“Yes. Scholarship is an expense paid to the school by the school. If you think it’s pay, pay is capped. … Just ask, ‘What other person or group do you advocate should remain unpaid by rule, industry wide?’ Crickets.”
Jay Bilas, @JayBilas, Twitter
GH: A scholarship is not pay. A college education guarantees nothing when it comes to a salary. Pay the players in the sports that generate the revenue to fund fat cats like Bowlsby and his ilk. It’s the moral thing to do, Bob.

“Ask yourself, ‘Who’s the best basketball coach?’ Most people will answer Bill Self. He’s had NCAA violations at every stop! And he’s at the top of his profession. He’s got national titles and Coach of the Year awards and a $5-million salary. He has violations EVERYWHERE he’s been! He’s NEVER had a blank slate and a clean sheet! EVER! ANYWHERE! I’m not hammering on Bill Self. Somewhere in there is a golden compliment.”
Kevin Kietzman, 810 AM
GH: And Kietzman is upset because people call him a shock jock and Jerry Springer?

“What KU fans don’t want to know is how the sausage is made. You don’t want to know the inner workings. You don’t want to know how they build multi-million dollar condos for these guys. You don’t want to know how they get Andrew Wiggins to come to Kansas. You don’t want to know how Joel Embiid is sitting in Gainesville, Florida and doesn’t go play for Billy Donavan at Florida and all of a sudden shows up to play for Bill Self at Kansas. You don’t want to know! You don’t need to know! All you want to do is turn on your TV and watch them throttle somebody by 27 points and cover the spread. And he does that for you.”
Kevin Kietzman, 810 AM
GH: What is Kietzman suggesting? Does he have a story to report about corruption at Kansas? If so, let’s get it out there, Kev. But this appears to be more of the same from Kietzman’s I-Hate-Kansas playbook.

“Let’s not have ‘open bidding’ and have Andrew Wiggins when he comes to Kansas be able to go work at Crown Automotive and dry a couple of cars on a couple of Saturdays and then, ‘Oh by the way, we want you to make three autograph appearances over here and here’s your check for a half-million dollars.’ That’s not what college athletics needs to be.” Kevin Kietzman, 810 AM
GH: I believe that is an example right out of Shock Jock 101. I don’t think this is what sports talk radio needs to be. 

“The Chiefs blew a 38-10 third quarter lead (against the Colts in the 2013 playoffs), but that wasn’t on Johnson, who’s been one of the more underrated players at his position for a number of years. No inside linebacker received a higher coverage grade from PFF than Johnson last year, and he matched his career high with 4.5 sacks. If you want to put one ‘backer on the field for a high percentage of plays, there’s nobody better. Johnson was the engine that made Sutton’s aggressive defense work.”
Doug Farrar, writer, who listed Johnson as the second-best inside linebacker in the NFL, SI.com

“Jamaal Charles is scheduled to earn $3.9M this year, less than 13 other NFL RBs & about 1/3 of what Adrian Peterson ($12M) will make.”
Brian McIntyre, @brian_mcintyre, after KCTV 5 broke the news Tuesday that the Chiefs and Charles are discussing his contract to avoid a possible holdout by the running back, Twitter

“A bigger and perhaps more important difference (between renegotiating the contracts of Justin Houston and Jamaal Charles) is that Houston’s new contract wouldn’t be payment for things he’s already done. The Chiefs can pay him for his projected production over the life of a long-term contract, as Houston is just 25 and should have several productive seasons ahead of him. Can you realistically say that about Charles, even though he’s only 27? He’s got a lot of mileage on him. There’s no indication his production is about to nosedive, but at the same time it’s reasonable to believe that his best football is behind him. … A modest raise for Charles is in order. Anything more than that and the Chiefs deserve whatever they get.”
Adam Teicher, ESPN.com
GH: The Larry Johnson contract didn’t go too well for the Chiefs. Love Jamaal, but look around the NFL and see how quickly the league’s best backs become little more than expensive shadows of their former selves. I think the Chiefs will be very cautious here.

“Can’t blame Chiefs RB Jamaal Charles whatsoever if he holds out. V. arguably the most underpaid non-rookie-contract veteran in all the NFL.”
Evan Silva, @evansilva, Twitter GH: Score that one for Pioli.

“Gardner-Edgerton’s Bubba Starling is hitting .324 in his last 10 games w/ 11 hits w/ Advanced A Royals. Hitting .284 Post All-Star (29 gms).”
@sportsinkansas, Twitter
GH: Nothing but good news on the Royals after Moose hits a couple of dongs to get the Royals their first second-half win.

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38 Responses to OTC: Big 12’s Boss Comes Off As A Whiner With His “Cheating Pays” Speach / KK Tells KU Fans They Don’t Want To Know

  1. Guy Who Says What Others Think says:

    I don’t think Bowlsby was pointing fingers at the SEC at all. I think he was pointing fingers at the NCAA’s enforcement of it’s own rules. To be kind, it’s inconsistent.

    • george brett says:

      honestly…I don’t give a damn! every college cheats…point blank….norm steward used to send a case of booze to a recruits dad in Detroit every month to make sure he came and
      played at mizzou. who cares? lets have some fun…watch mu football/ku basketball/
      the royals/the chiefs the sporting kc and say WTF who cares….its sports and win or lose kc loves its teams and what would we do without the royals and chiefs. Maybe one day we’ll win a championship (like we did in soccer)….who cares….we need the sports to get us thru this horrendous pattern of a city on the brink of falling apart.\
      Go KC ….whatever sport it is….we all love you…win lose or draw.
      thanks.
      your friend
      Harley

  2. Ptolemy says:

    Dead-on Guy.

    And Kansas fans are more likely wondering whether Weis is eating all the sausage bill Self is making….

  3. Jim says:

    GH: A scholarship is not pay. A college education guarantees nothing when it comes to a salary. Pay the players in the sports that generate the revenue to fund fat cats like Bowlsby and his ilk. It’s the moral thing to do, Bob.

    Exactly what DOES guarantee a salary in this world? Explain to me why anyone would go to college if nothing is guaranteed after graduation? This entire conversation is framed within the context that scholarship athletes get NOTHING out of the deal. What complete crap.

    99% of all scholarship athletes are DONE with their athletic careers after college. Graduating with a degree and having ZERO dollars in student loans when they hit the real world is one hell of a benefit.

    Look, you want to give them some additional spending money? Fine. But, don’t tell me how these athletes are getting screwed. Everyone can make their own decisions. They ALL know the deal before they commit to going to college. Once you’ve made that decision, live with it.

    I’m waiting for the #1 rated Rivals football player to come out and say, “I’m not going to college because they aren’t paying me enough.”

    • Guy Who Says What Others Think says:

      +1000

    • Kyle R says:

      Couldn’t agree more with all three of the guys above.

      I did not get the sense at all that Bowlsby was pointing his finger at any other conference; he was on the side of the other four big conferences and pointing his finger at the NCAA.

      His statement about the work put in by the other athletes is dead on too. Who should I feel worse for? The KU basketball benchwarmer getting a free scholarship, chartered plane rides all over the western hemisphere, the adoration of a massive fanbase, the opportunity to get with most every co-ed in Lawrence regardless of how ugly you are, a free education backed with all sorts of advisors and tutors, and the lifelong memories of being part of all that? Or the women’s tennis player putting in just as many hours, while actually going to class, riding the bus/flying commercial redeyes, playing games in front of crowds no bigger than she saw in high school and being just another student, except she also graduates with zero debt and a great education. I don’t feel bad for EITHER of them but don’t try to make me feel bad for the basketball player.

      Exactly like Jim said – more spending money is fine. Fixing the BS “you can’t major in that” stuff that was made public at Northwestern should be done. But opening the floodgates beyond that is not going to improve anything.

      The scholarship and benefits that come with it are plenty of “payment” for 99+% of college athletes. If they squander the opportunity, that’s their fault and they’re no different than the large percentage of their non-athletic peers that drop or flunk out of college. But if they are smart enough to realize the opportunity, they’ve set themselves up for life and will graduate with zero debt, something most of their peers can’t imagine. So what if it doesn’t guarantee future success? Nobody’s college degree does but at least they didn’t pay 100K+ for it.

      And if they don’t want to go to college, the NBDL and foreign leagues are an option, just like Larry Brown’s prized SMU recruit decided, and now he’s going to China and getting paid plenty.

      As for KK, at what point does KU threaten him with a slander charge? That crap is completely over the line and nowhere near true.

      • Gavin says:

        Kyle, how is it their fault when the NCAA only has one-year scholarships? I know you’re in favor of four-year deals, but the fact is that they don’t grant them. That’s just not the system we have and saying “well, they could fix that” is certainly true, but the universities know they could fix that and they have chosen not to do it because it’s another way of maintaining more power over the athletes. I mean, it’s not a secret being hidden from the schools that they could offer four-year scholarships, right? They KNOW they could offer them but have chosen not to. They are CHOOSING to not do the right thing. What does that tell you about the system and how screwed up it is?

        And how is it the kid’s fault when the school is denying him the ability to take classes in his major? Again, I know you want that changed as well, but, again, it is something that the schools COULD change but are choosing not to. Pat Fitzgerald KNOWS he could have let his QB take organic chem, but he didn’t do it anyway. How is it the kid’s fault that he is in this system? What opportunity did he waste?

        • P says:

          USC has just updated their policy saying that the athlete’s scholarship is for 4 years (at least in football). I suspect a lot of other coaches/schools do the same. You stay out of trouble and keep your grades up you’ll have your scholly for 4 years regardless of your contribution on the field.

    • Gavin says:

      That all sounds really good in theory, but it goes off the rails in the way the NCAA puts it into practice.
      The NCAA only guarantees a scholarship for one year, so if a player blows out a knee his freshman year or the coach decides “eh, screw it, we can recruit a better kid” or the coach decides “eh, screw it, I can get a better job” and leaves and the new coach comes in and runs a different offense (or defense) that doesn’t fit the kid’s style, that kid is gone and has nothing to say about it except “I’ve decided to look for other opportunities. I’m really grateful for my time at Big State U. and I want to thank Coach Barge for giving me the opportunity and deep down, I’ll always be a Wildcat.” And Coach Barge issues a statement saying “We wish David all the best in his future endeavors and are grateful for the time he gave us here in Collegetown. We will do whatever we can to help him in his transition.” My own school has done it and so has every other big program.

      And what about the really valuable scholarship that has all its value stripped because the coach is in charge of the player’s academic future? Big football schools tell the kid what classes they can take. It’s no accident that so many of them major in guts like “exercise science.” Look at the articles citing testimony from the Northwestern Labor Union certification hearing. Northwestern, no academic slouch of a school, recruited a kid to play quarterback and told the kid he could major in pre-med but when he got there organic chemistry conflicted with football practice so guess what the football program made him not do? That’s okay. I’m sure a guy who wants to go to medical school won’t need to take organic chem anyway. He can take a gender studies class instead.

      It would be one thing if the schools would actually give the kids an education that actually had value, but what they give them is an education meant to keep them eligible. It would also be another thing if they were actually able to make their own decisions, but they’re not. Not when a kid is promised he can take a full pre-med schedule and have that as his major only to get there and be told that, “no, sorry, you can’t take one of the absolutely fundamental classes for that major because it conflicts with football and I’m telling you this as your football coach, not your academic advisor.” But neither of those things is the case.

      • Jim says:

        Gav, you are always going to be able to find flaws in every system and every aspect of life. No argument. But, I’ll say it again. We are talking about 1% or 2% of all scholarship athletes that are only going to school because they expect to continue their athletic careers in the professional ranks. Academics to the vast majority of these 1% or 2% are an afterthought. College is merely a way to get exposed, get bigger and get better. The other 98% have the opportunity to take full advantage of the scholarship for exactly what it is. A free education. If they make a personal decision to NOT take advantage of it, then that is their decision.

        A perfect system? Far from it. I’m just tired of the argument that there is nothing in it for the athletes. Ironically, I wonder how much student loan debt Jay Bilas, the mouthpiece for this whole debate, left Duke with? We both know the answer to that. The millions and millions that this guy has made from the exposure he got at Duke and the education he received by way of an athletic scholarship seems to have benefited him well.

        • Gavin says:

          Jim, you’re absolutely right that you can find flaws in any system and in the arguments on either side. But I think the biggest problem here is that the players have no say in this one. Everyone who argues that the players have it so great always talks about how they wish they had that sweet, sweet deal the players have. And I get it. That makes sense, because from where I sit, it looks pretty awesome to be a college hero on Game Day. But that’s really, really paternalistic and assumes we know from our experiences what’s best for people we don’t personally know or know anything about.

          You’re absolutely correct that 98% of all players aren’t in it to go pro. But that 2% of players are the ones making all the money for the schools. Ask yourself this question: Why are the schools so completely resistant to it? Does anyone really, truly and honestly believe that it’s because the schools give a single damn about the “student-athlete model” or the “purity of amateurism” or any of that drivel? Because if they really did believe that, the follow-up question is why aren’t players found to have accepted improper benefits not ruled completely ineligible forever rather than suspended for a couple of games and forced to pay back the money they took (or the value of the extra pasta they ate) to a charity?

          The NCAA and the universities are in this to make money and they want to hoard as much of it as possible. They could have instituted common sense reforms like four year scholarships and greater academic controls years and years ago and they still haven’t done it to this day.

          Could kids take better advantage of the opportunities they’re given? Absolutely. I could have done a lot more with the chances I was given when I was eighteen. But one thing I didn’t have to worry about was a giant organization that was in business to take advantage of my athletic talents (because I didn’t have any).

          • Jim says:

            We aren’t that far apart, Gav. I see every argument you make. Here’s my take: Where was this debate 30 years ago? Weren’t the exact same rules in place for scholarship athletes? Didn’t the institutions still have all the same “control” over them? Because the internet, cable and satellite TV and meg-media money has exploded, it is NOW an issue? Wasn’t the principal exactly the same in 1984 as it is in 2014? (i.e. athletes not getting paid)

            • Gavin says:

              I’m not sure if you picked 30 years ago on purpose or if that was a random number, but if it was random, it was fortuitous because that was the year that the Supreme Court decided NCAA v. Oklahoma Board of Regents and that was the case that determined that the NCAA’s television plan violated the Sherman and Clayton Antitrust Acts.

              So, yes, that is arguably when the money started blowing up in college athletics and it’s also arguably when the courts started recognizing that the NCAA was acting anti-competitively and wanted to do what it could to try to maintain a grasp on its income stream even if it meant acting criminally.

              And, not for nothing, but it was probably easier for athletes to stomach playing for a scholarship only when the coach isn’t making kajillions of dollars of his labor and the school isn’t doing it either. Back before that case was decided, when there wasn’t the same kind of money flowing, a scholarship was a fundamentally fairer form of compensation. Now, it simply isn’t.

      • Kyle R says:

        We’ve talked about that before, Gavin, and I agree. Those rules should be changed; I’m just against the basketball and football players suddenly becoming paid professionals who happen to live on a college campus. There’s still a difference, murky as it is today.

    • Mike says:

      No. Most athletes do not have ‘ZERO’ dollars in school debt when they graduate. The NCAA price-fixed a full-ride scholarship as room-books-tuition. Most athletes that receive that still have to take out loans to make up for the costs of college outside of room-books-tuition.
      See that word, ‘price-fixed’? Look it up. Collusion among the NCAA, and the member schools on what athletes can receive is the issue. Including the absurd ‘one-year revolving scholarship’ at the coach’s discretion. Which is total bullshit. To wit:
      Are you a good student? Ok.
      Are you in good standing in the communiity? Great.
      Did the football coach give you a scholarship, but then yank it away a year later because he may have found a guy who he prefers better than you, for no other reason that he oversigned by a lot?…
      …Or did a new coach come in and pull your scholarship for no discernable reason?…
      …Or were you injured, and can’t play to your ability now?…
      …Or does your course load and major not jibe with the coach’s wishes? Well then tough shit, the scholarship’s gone. That ruins EVERY. SINGLE. ARGUMENT that feeds the bullshit premise about the educational mission of college athletics. Either guarantee the scholarship and treat the players like students first, or gut the system and start compensating them for being players-first within a college sports program on a university campus.

      Yeah, the Pac12 and Big10 started to offer 4-year guaranteed scholarships recently, defying a longtime NCAA mandate. Why? Because the schools and NCAA knew their ass was up against a wall for collusive behavior. So they quietly allowed four-year scholarships again. Not out of their own benevolence, but because they knew that legally they were going to get fucking torched in an antitrust suit.

      Also, after-care for college athletes seriously injured is a serious problem too. Suffer a debilitating career-ending injury, then get cut by your program? Tough shit. It’s not their problem anymore. Continuing rehab, physical therapy and medical checkups in the ensuing years related to your on-field injury is on your dime, schmucko, while Saban continues to enjoy his $7 million a year, and Bowlsby gets to enjoy his $2 million a year.

      Nice try with the reductive reasoning that loves to omit reality, KK.

  4. Jip says:

    Every job I go to, I asked to be paid in company gift cards. Why are these college athletes complaining now?

    • brett says:

      exactly.

      this would be like a movie theater paying its employees with free movies.

      • Guy Who Says What Others Think says:

        Then don’t work at that movie theatre.

        • brett says:

          ahhh… therein lies the rub.

          unlike the pot-smoking movie theater worker who has lots of viable alternatives (mcdonalds, long john silvers, 7th heaven), the college athlete has none.

          the system requires that you provide several years of free labor so that schools and men in suits can make lots of money off of you before you can make a single dime for yourself.

          here’s the part where someone suggests that the 17-year old kid just go play in europe instead of going to college….

          and the delirium continues…

          • Gavin says:

            Or the NBDL! Or They can play in the Arena League! Or they can start their own professional football league to compete with the NFL just like they did with the XFL or the USFL! Hell, Lamar Hunt started his own league and that even MERGED with the NFL. So a high school player who doesn’t want to play in college could just do that and then go play in HIS league and then maybe join the NFL that way, assuming he isn’t already a billionaire by the time he’s 20!

            • rkcal says:

              and BINGO! After all this dancing around, we’ve finally stumbled on to the easiest solution of all: separate big money sports (football & basketball) from the educational system. Won’t ever happen because there’s too many pigs feeding at the trough, but this is really the only way to fix the problem.

  5. Juan Pablo says:

    Bob Bowlsby, Big 12 commissioner needs to stop crying about cheating. Bob needs to get the Big 12 to be a top football conference again. The Big 12 is getting weak as a football conference. The last National championship was Texas in 2005. and OU is the only other team to play for a NC.
    This year the Big 12 has a lot big non conference games and needs to step up and win a lot of these. This could be a big year for the Big 12 or a disaster.

    • Java Man says:

      I heard on of the talking heads on ESPN say that if Bowlsby knows about cheating going on, why doesn’t he do his duty and report it?

  6. nick says:

    All the comments are interesting. I agree with Jim’s first point. Gavin makes good points, especially the 1-year scholarship, but never says what his solution is (I agree that colleges are making GIGANTIC dollars off football and basketball athletes, but what’s a solution? Pay the elite players only? Allow a free-market system and Car dealerships to pay athletes $1 million for cleaning windshields? Giving football and basketball athletes $100/month? $200/month? Maybe $10,000 every time they get Player Of The Week in the Big 12? Put a limit on how much money coaches can earn? What about women’s sports and rowing and wrestling, etc?).

    KK’s KU rant is absurd. I’m very sure Bill Self toes the line on what’s right and wrong, like every other coach trying to win it all. Greg, you’re right. KK predictably targets KU. His show hasn’t got good ratings because he’s dumb. Trolling KU basketball fans is PURE GOLD in the KC radio business. We saw Quin Snyder and Frank Haith muddy up the Missouri program, and we saw K-State bring in Bob Huggins and Frank Martin, all 4 of whom have seedier reputations than Bill Self, but KK targets the Jayhawk. What a shocker (roll eyes).

    • Gavin says:

      First, it’s not my problem to solve as I didn’t create it. But as long as you’re asking, there are several ways to skin the cat and you can hybridize them into a workable solution.

      First, you have to guarantee four year scholarships. Once a kid gets a scholarship, that “spot” is filled. If he leaves early for any reason other than graduation, that spot can’t be filled. He gets convicted of murder, too bad, School, you took a risk on a bad character and shouldn’t have done that. Coach doesn’t like him? Well, you probably should have spent more time with him before you made him that offer. He transfers? Wow, you guys must really be a shitty school to make it so intolerable that your players want to leave so we’re not going to let you have another kid there who will also hate it. Kid flunks out? Wow. Either you recruited a bad academic risk or you are bad at educating them. Either way, you should have done something better.

      Of course, there will always be special circumstances when kids really do need to leave because they get sick or their mother dies and they need to go home or whatever, so there will be an appeals process for the school to be able to fill the spot, but it will be designed to be difficult to win. This will make sure that schools recruit kids who actually belong, at some level, in college to go to college. And it will force the professional leagues to create their own developmental leagues to catch the high-level athletic talent but marginal academic talent that the schools will be forced to no longer recruit.

      My guess is that this will take care of a lot of the need to pay players because a lot more of the players will be satisfied with the scholarship they get because many more of them won’t have as great a chance to go pro. Of course, this will also have the consequence of making the college game not nearly as good as a lot of talent will not be playing in it. However, let’s assume that there is still the need to pay players because there probably will. In that case, it probably comes down to forming some kind of trust that the school pays into and that pays the player when he leaves and is based on time of service, level of contribution, honors earned, etc. Tell him when he comes in “you make all league, you get X. All-American, you get Y. Win a national championship, everyone on the team gets Z.”

      I don’t think that the answer is sham jobs and I do think that there is a real danger of a bidding war because bigger, wealthier schools like Texas or UCLA are always going to have an edge, but don’t they already? I mean, everybody here is right about Bowlsby sounding whiny but isn’t Bowlsby also right about there being rampant cheating? Nobody here really believes that the really big, successful programs are 100% honest and by-the-book, do they? I’m not saying they’re all 1982 SMU or anything, but I don’t have any illusions that my beloved Jayhawks don’t have a few boosters out there making sure players and recruits are well-cared for if they have a real serious need for something that will negatively affect their ability to play. Look at Nevin Shapiro and Miami. The NCAA might never hang anything serious on them, but we all know how filthy that escapade was. So if we all know that bigger, wealthier schools are already cheating, why are we getting so pissy with Bowlsby for acknowledging it? Because he doesn’t name names? Whatever. If Texas can take advantage of its wealth, Texas is going to take advantage of its wealth. If they can do it illegally, they’re going to but if they can do it legally t hey will, but my point is that Texas already has that advantage. Nothing is going to change.

      • Say What? says:

        As much of a d-bag as KK is, he has a point with regards to how Embiid magically switched from Florida to Kansas. Something fishy happened there.

        It happens everywhere in all sports, and not just revenue sports, but nobody wants to know as long as our school ended up landing the kid. Leave the details for later, if at all.

        • Jimbo says:

          Yea that is pretty magical how Embiid switched from Florida to Kansas, since he was never committed to Florida. Might have something to do with Norm Roberts being an assistant in Florida two years ago and the fact that Florida was more interested in Chris Walker then Embiid…but I am sure that is also pretty fishy.

        • Jim says:

          The difference being that KK loves to remind everyone that he is, first and foremost, a journalist. Not that I think he is, but he certainly does. Without ANY evidence or ANY sources providing information about the recruiting of Embiid, he inferred there was SOMETHING illegal or violating NCAA rules that nobody wanted to talk about. That’s pure radio shock-jock crap, not journalism.

          • BlackJack says:

            What is most reprehensible is that KK just makes this unfounded accusations as if they are fact, and NOBODY on his show challenges him on it. They all just parrot and agree with what he says.

            • Jimbo says:

              What ever happened with the Embiid vs. Bill Self argument that KK was trying to make last year with Joels injury?

              I don’t listen to KK, except I tuned in that day thinking it was going to be about the Big 12 tourney in KC and it ended up being how KU was covering up things and Embiids family hated KU and yadda yadda yadda, all were facts but no sources he could mention….

  7. Ptolemy says:

    That the universities are making billions off of the sports the alums and fans care about is insufficient motivation for paying college athletes. Envy does not drive capitalism. Envy drives Marxism. Greed drives capitalism. Athletes are paid, via training, development, and scholarships, for what they do for the universities. If their compensation package can be improved by a move to the professional level, that’s where they will go, but they in doing so accept the risk that they haven’t developed sufficiently and will flame out like many athletes do. Those that make it are rewarded handsomely. That’s how the world works.

    Thank you.

  8. donkeypunch says:

    These pretzels are making me thirsty!!!!

  9. Juan Pablo says:

    Nobody under 50 years old reads a comment over 50 words,. are some you old folks writing a book?

  10. Kansas Marine says:

    Kevin never asks how players like Bryce & Arthur Brown end up at Kansas State? How is a 74 year old man luring four & five star players from Texas & California to play in Manhattan, Kansas? How does he get them eligible to play despite arrests, assaults, and academic violations? The same thing goes on at every major BCS university. Kevin merely focuses on big-bad Kansas.

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