OTC: Big Time College Sports Becoming Unsustainable / Everybody Gets Paid $$$ But The Athletes

“Bob Stoops will make $5.25 million in 2014; he would make $6.15 in 2020, the last year of his contract. Total is $39.9 million over 7 years.”
Jason Kersey, @jasonkersey, OU football beat writer for The Oklahoman, Twitter GH: Interesting that this raise will move Stoops up to the same $5-million plateau as Texas’ new coach, Charlie Strong and A&M’s Kevin Sumlin. Five million dollars a year. To coach college football. Utter madness.

“Oklahoma approves $350 million stadium renovation.”
Headline, BleacherReport.com
GH: The arms race continues. Have you seen the new football locker rooms at Kansas State? How about the new basketball facility at Nebraska? Kansas is building an $18-million dorm for 35 basketball players. Sanity has left the buildings.

“Kids are more into bells and whistles more than they are what happened in the nineteen hundreds.”
Bill Self, on the new buildings and improvements being made for the Kansas basketball teams trumping what KU’s basketball program past accomplishments on the court, 810 AM

“69 percent of the public and 61 percent of sports fans oppose paying athletes. 38 percent of the respondents are less likely to watch or attend games if athletes are paid $20,000. 47 percent if athletes are paid $50,000. And 53 percent if they are paid $200,000.”
Daniel Rubinfeld, the NCAA’s key witness in their lawsuit over paying football and men’s basketball players for the use of their likeness, name and images, cbssports.com GH: These stats look to be as crooked as the NCAA itself. Big time (and even many smaller football and basketball programs) have ballooned into such an insatiable beast that the financial model in place to feed them has to be on the verge of bursting. So what happens when Nebraska and Kansas State can no longer fill their growing stadiums with delirious fans? What happens when reality delivers a 2008 real-estate-like correction to the world of college sports? What happens? The same thing that happens every time the penthouse outgrows the foundation.

“The Memorial Stadium experience. ‘Honestly, we’re looking at anything & everything we do,’ one NU official said of the gameday presentation.”
Brian Christopherson, @HuskerExtraBC, Twitter
GH: How about scheduling non-con opponents that people would care to pay to see? Have you heard of that one, Stan?

“I’m not sure I’ve heard a more boneheaded opinion. I respect your opinion but…” Kevin Kietzman, after a caller from an earlier show suggested something about Embiid and the NBA draft that conflicted with KK’s opinion, 810 AM
GH: Nothing like boneheaded respect to put a smile on a caller’s face.

“I can’t believe some of the stuff that comes up. But that’s fine. I think people around here know I shouldn’t have to defend how much I love KU and how good it’s been to us. There’s all kinds of things flying around this time of year. The vast majority don’t stick at all.”
Bill Self, on rumors that he is a candidate to leave Kansas for the NBA, 810 AM
GH: Kietzman has been the most ardent pilot of launching rumors about Self heading to Oklahoma City to coach the Thunder. Maybe Self will head to OKC the same time that Mizzou heads to the Big Ten.

“That put a hole in the drywall! That was a new experience for me!”
Cal Ripken, after he dodged a baseball fouled back into the Royals radio booth while he was talking to Steve Physioc and Denny Matthews Wednesday night, Royals Radio GH: Ripken spent some time in the Royals radio booth to promote some new KC-area playgrounds for children with special needs but his best conversations were about how he analyzed the game as a shortstop for the Orioles all those consecutive games. Physioc kept trying to drive the interview back to discussing the playgrounds and the charity that sponsored them but luckily Denny was there to ask Ripken about the Royals defense. Ripken seemed to enjoy critiquing the plays as they unfolded before him. It was great radio – except for Physioc not understanding how to maximize a rare live radio moment with one of MLB’s greatest players.

“I’d have to think about this for a while, it’s been 16 years for me here (in Kansas City), but that may have been the most stylish fly ball to center field I have seen in Kauffman Stadium.”
Ryan Lefebvre, on the Dodgers Yasiel Puig paused, stared, admired and sauntered toward first base as he watched his deep fly out to center late in the game Wednesday night, Fox Sports KC
GH: I got a chance to see Puig this week at The K and his talent looks a lot like Bo Jackson’s to me. Is he a showboat? Hell yes. He also hits lasers around the diamond that look like they’re going to knock the outfield wall down. I am a fan.

“Luis Suárez Suspended For 9 Matches, Banned For 4 Months After Biting Player In World Cup”
@BuzzFeedNews, Twitter
GH: This is not going to add to soccer’s manliness quotient.

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55 Responses to OTC: Big Time College Sports Becoming Unsustainable / Everybody Gets Paid $$$ But The Athletes

  1. Mike says:

    Most NFL locker rooms look like shit compared to what they’re spending on locker rooms at the BCS level. Arrowhead’s locker room looks almost like it did 30 years ago (save for new carpeting), and the locker room at the Chiefs training offices? Pffft. It’s almost as if the ostentatiousness of the college locker room is used to serve as a distraction over a larger issue with schools and the athletes. A big reason why the O’Bannon NIL trial is so important.

    The Big Ten came out this week and told of their own reforms, like guaranteed four-year scholarships, plus a guarantee of covering the full cost of attendance (instead of just tuition, room-and-board), but it strikes me as a reactive, late-in-the-game concession by a power conference to try to placate those who have rightly sued the NCAA’s price-fixing scholarship model, and ‘in-perpetuity NIL’ model that runs afoul of antitrust law and should be highly illegal.

  2. Guy Who Says What Others Think says:

    Puig needs to concentrate more on how to play his position instead of showboating. Especially since he hasn’t peed a drop in the MLB yet.

    • DodgerHawki says:

      What exactly would classify as “peeing a drop”? Fan Graphs posted a story in late May about how Puig has been the best hitter in baseball since he came to the majors in June 2013.

      http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/yasiel-puigs-historic-start/

      I’m biased as a Dodgers fan, but he is a joy to watch play every day. He is/can be annoying as all get out, but the dude can play.

  3. Phaedrus says:

    Would the college athletes rather get paid $20k a year or have those luxurious dorms/locker rooms/weight rooms/academic centers/etc?

    I bet they’d rather have the cash.

    I’ve said it before, but the people that donate money to college athletic programs just totally mystify me. Serious question….why don’t people donate money to professional teams like they do to college athletic departments? Is the civic pride from having a good Royals team that much less than the pride a fan gets from having a good college basketball team?

    • Gavin says:

      Serious, multi-part answer:

      1) Tax deductibility. I can claim part of my Williams Fun donation on my taxes since the Williams Fund is technically a not-for-profit, charitable organization (yes, I know it’s a joke, but I don’t make the rules.). The IRS won’t let me claim the whole thing because they have determined that at least part of it is for my select-a-seat preference points so they only let me take, like, 70% of the donation as a deduction.

      2) Although you can’t claim a tax deduction, pro teams do something very similar in the charging for PSLs. When they sell a personal seat license, all you’re doing is buying a priority seat. You don’t HAVE to pay for a PSL to get a season ticket, but if the team is good and the seat is good, you probably do.

      3) While big conferences and successful programs are awash in money right now, there really are a lot of schools that do depend on donor pipelines to keep the doors open for athletics. It doesn’t sound right when you hear about the arms race going on at UT, OU, KU and K-State but when you look at smaller schools, even small schools with grand traditions, like, I don’t know, Grambling, they don’t have a major conference affiliation or a big TV contract so they actually have to call on well-heeled donors all the time because the school and/or t he athletic department doesn’t have all that much money. Contrast that with Clark Hunt. No one will just write him a check (although I wonder whether he’d take it) because everyone knows he doesn’t need it. People at KU want KU to stay on top in basketball so they build KU this shiny dorm and new home for the basketball rules because they believe (correctly, in my opinion) that KU will need to do those things to remain elite. So bog schools do it to stay elite and small schools do it to stay afloat.

      • Joe Blow says:

        So you basically admit that you feel like you’re paying KU basketball to, you know, “attract” top recruits?

        Too bad donors can’t just cut them checks..

        • Gavin says:

          You should either pay more attention or stop entirely. I’m arguing that they should get PAID. Whether boosters do it or the schools is immaterial. Yes. I admit that I donate to the Williams Fund to help attract better players. I’m not sure what point this demonstrates beyond your reading comprehension, but you got me, anonymous internet troll. I legally support my alma mater with entirely legitimate monetary contributions because I want to see them do well in athletic competition. The force of your argument and the elegance of your logic has destroyed me utterly.

    • Ed Connealy (@edcfromkc) says:

      Good point. What of they donated that money to those in real need? Society = Weird

  4. Gavin says:

    “69 percent of the public and 61 percent of sports fans oppose paying athletes. 38 percent of the respondents are less likely to watch or attend games if athletes are paid $20,000. 47 percent if athletes are paid $50,000. And 53 percent if they are paid $200,000.”

    I didn’t realize that college sports was in business to satisfy the fans. I thought that the point of the “student-athlete” model was to give young people a chance to gain discipline, to train their bodies while they also train their minds. Is the NCAA tacitly admitting that their athletics programs exist for the purpose of drawing in (paying) fans?

    Also, not for nothing, but if the NCAA is going to start basing its decisions on public popularity, I wonder when they are going to do any polling on four-year scholarships, the restrictive nature of the National Letter of Intent and stuff like the ability of a coach to take away a kid’s scholarship for no reason at all.

    • Optimus Jim says:

      “69 percent of the public and 61 percent of sports fans oppose paying athletes. 38 percent of the respondents are less likely to watch or attend games if athletes are paid $20,000. 47 percent if athletes are paid $50,000. And 53 percent if they are paid $200,000.”

      Plus, I bet 100% of the people surveyed would change their mind if they were the athlete being paid.

  5. Jim says:

    People are paid what the market will bear. Some entertainers make $50MM+/year. Some CEO’s make hundreds of millions/year. It’s called capitalism. Seems to me a good football or basketball coach actually MAKES money for their institution by ticket sales, contributions, etc, etc.

    So, all athletes would get paid the exact same amount of money regardless of talent, playing time and revenues their sport generates? Or do the talented ones get paid more? Who decides that? As a father that has put 2 kids through college and paid every cent of their educational costs, don’t tell me athletes aren’t paid. You are out of your freaking mind. Had my kids been blessed with a talent that allowed them to go to college on scholarship, I would have an extra $200K in the bank today. That’s REAL money. 99.9% of scholarship athletes will NEVER play a professional sport after they leave college. That means 99.9% of them received a FREE education, a college degree and the opportunity to start out in the real world with ZERO crushing debt. Not paid? Please.

    • Gavin says:

      Jim, that’s kind of a paternalistic attitude and it’s also you ascribing what you value as what the athletes SHOULD value. Would you have been happy playing for a scholarship, room and board? Well, you say so and I have no reason to doubt you. But it’s interesting that you lead off your post with a free market argument about what the market will bear when it comes to coaches but you would seek to deny that same opportunity to the players themselves. Why is that? Everything you said about coaches is true of the players. The players MAKE money for their institutions by ticket sales, contributions, etc. Why is it okay to pay the coach but say that the players should be satisfied with what would have been satisfactory to you?

      What would be wrong with offering the player a choice? Tell him “We will give you X in cash or Y in scholarship or come up with some hybrid formula of the two so that you can get some money and also a free/reduced cost education?”

      • Jim says:

        Solid rebuttal, Gav. I guess my point of view is they ARE getting paid. You want to pay them the cost of the scholarship instead of it just being provided and then they handle their own expenses? I’m all good with that. To my greater point, have you EVER heard a 3rd string backup offensive lineman say, “I should be paid.” Of course not. Because for them, and the thousands upon thousands of the scholarship athletes that have ZERO shot of playing beyond college, it’s a helluva gig. It’s only the BMOC types that are crying foul. That’s 0.005% of the people we are talking about.

        Lastly, if anyone thinks that they are getting a raw deal by attending college, getting a free education, traveling the country and free exposure to the NFL or NBA…you don’t HAVE to attend college. And, don’t throw out the argument that you have to go one year before you are eligible for the NBA and 2 or 3 years for the NFL. While all that is true, it doesn’t mean you HAVE to go to college during that waiting period. We all make choices.

        It’s a good debate, G.

        • P says:

          Man, I’m with you Jim. I got 4 college educations staring me in the face and let’s just say even if they are good at some sports it ain’t the full ride variety. With that said, I just tell them to keep their grades up and we’ll be looking in state.

          The socio-economic standing of a lot of these players is a large part of the problem. Say your kid was a DI level football player, you as their parent could provide them a really really nice college experience. If they make the professional ranks…hell, they’re set for life at that point. Now, if you have a poor, single mother kid, it’s a whole other ball game. Not an extra dime for travel back home, much less the ‘fun’ part of college. It kind of begs the question, do most universities shut down the cafeteria on the weekend or what? A lot of these athletes talk about not getting meals on the weekend, etc. Or do they just want money to hit the bars (that’s what I saved my summer job money for)?

          • geoknows says:

            Four college educations staring you in the face? I sure grew up with the wrong parents, I guess. While they definitely encouraged me to go to college, they felt zero obligation to pay for it. Every penny was paid by me, my folks gave me $25 a week for spending money when they felt they could afford it (yes, I’m old, it was a long time ago), and sometimes the check they wrote me for that bounced.

            When I read that back it sounds horrible, but really, I had great parents. They just raised me to believe that they would hand nothing to me just because they brought me into the world, college education included.

            • P says:

              I definitely don’t disagree with your sentiments and think my kids should have some skin in the game. I did and it kept me on track. With that said, I don’t want them coming out with crushing debt and would like them to enjoy college before they head off to work for the rest of their lives. I’m 41 and college was waaaaay cheaper when I went to school, Nowadays, if you’re paying a fully loaded in state tuition+room at KU, for example, you’re talking $18k annually.

        • Gavin says:

          Jason Whitlock (and, yes, we all have our issues with Jason Whitlock) was once presented with that same point. They ARE getting paid. They get tuition, books, board, etc. But the free education is the trump card. Whitlock’s point, and I think it’s a salient one, is that most of the kids who play big-time sports are not equipped to take advantage of payment in that form. His reply was that paying most of these kids in free tuition would be like “paying me in skinny jeans.”

          Clearly, Jim, you’re a smart guy and could have taken advantage of a full-ride scholly and would have done so if given the opportunity. God knows I wish I’d gotten one. But I think the problem is that so many kids aren’t prepared to take advantage of the deal that it ends up being worthless to them.

          And then, when you have a minute, take a look at the testimony in the Northwestern Labor Union certification trial. There is clear testimony, uncontroverted by the University, that the kids are not in control of their own academics. If a class conflicts with football, the class is what gives, not football. They recruited a kid to play quarterback and told him that if he went to Northwestern, he could major in pre-med but when it came time to take organic chem, a pretty important class for a pre-med student, Pat Fitzgerald wouldn’t let him take it because it conflicted with football. The players’ class schedules all have to be approved by the coaching staff and they’re steered toward classes that won’t be too demanding so as to not get in the way of football. If we are really going to say “They are getting paid and that payment is in the form of a scholarship,” then I think the very least the NCAA can do is let the kid maximize the value of that payment, even if it might come at the expense of the sport.

          You are certainly correct about the guys who are talented enough to actually have a gripe about getting paid if the gripe is “people pay to see me play too.” No one goes to see the 3rd string fullback. But the way the system is right now, there’s no way for the kid to know if he has any value or not because the NCAA won’t allow him to find out. Alabama might or might not be willing to pay much to their 3rd string fullback (on the one hand, they really don’t need to but on t he other they have so much money they could certainly afford to), but maybe KU would be willing to pay a guy who can’t crack Alabama’s starting ilneup but was good enough that Nick Saban made him an offer in the first place. Given that the market right now is rigged completely against the players we’ll never know. But no one goes to ‘Bama thinking “I’m gonna warm the bench for four years and GET MY DEGREE!” They all go expecting to be the BMOC, win championships and have sex with hot chicks. When it doesn’t work out and Saban hasn’t helped them maximize their degree, what’s left for them? If they could at least give themselves the opportunity to negotiate as good a deal as possible, maybe things could get better for them.

          You’re right, it’s a good debate and you’re also right in that they are getting paid. But, to riff on Whitlock’s line, they’re getting paid in pesos and have no place to exchange them for dollars.

          • Jim says:

            Very well reasoned, G. No argument it’s a system that has a multitude of flaws. I believe there is going to be some kind of change coming in the very near future. My guess is that it will be cosmetic to pacify the squeaky wheels and make them feel like they actually “won”. If you aren’t bright enough to appreciate the value of having that diploma in your back pocket for the rest of your life, you probably won’t be able to figure out if you got a good deal or not.

            • TiberiusGracchus says:

              But the question about who gets paid what is the greatest obstacle. Would Title IX mandate that all female athletes be paid the same amount as there male counterparts? And what about the male athletes in sports that don’t make money. Or schools that don’t generate much revenue from sports. Would Texas and Alabama etc. just buy the best athletes every year. Would football schools, simply because they have more money, be able to start acquiring the players who would normally go to KU or Kentucky?

  6. nick says:

    I heard Ripken in the TV booth with Ryan and Hudler. REALLY good. Ripken and Hudler played with and against each other, and was fun to hear their interaction.

    I 100% agree that the money in college sports and the salaries of coaches is insanity.

    I sympathize with the rare athlete like Manziel who single-handedly brings attention to his school and generates millions. But I sympathize nothing for the average college athlete who gets to live very comfortably for 4 years without paying a dime for their education, not to mention (in the case of the best division 1 programs) the travel destinations, elite hotels, top-notch meals and trainers. Athletes should get some spending money. Maybe a couple hundred a month. But that should be ALL athletes treated the same. If and when the elite athletes can earn like professionals, college athletics will be ruined.

    Fans root for the school, not the players.

  7. Fred Flintstone says:

    Congrat’s to all USA football fans. You have every right to stand with your scarf on and chant,

    “I BELIEVE THAT WE WILL LOSE AND ADVANCE”

    • Kyle says:

      Futbol

      • Fred Flintstone says:

        Saw the halftime report, and the commercial that ran for FIFA…. The commercial referred to soccer, as “football”

        It angered me, as I’m sure it did every fan of the National FOOTBALL League.

        Soccer in American will NEVER be FOOTBALL.

        • Superfreq says:

          FIFA was founded in 1904, the NFL was founded in 1920. So they were using the word football for 16 years before the NFL existed. Plus it is a bit humorous that in American football, the two positions that actually use their feet to advance the ball are the players most likely to be made fun of.

          • Fred Flintstone says:

            The world will have to acquiesce to America on the name “football” vs “soccer.” I contend “soccer” will never be “football” in the United States.
            USA 1, World Nil.

          • Kyle says:

            The term “football” was officially established in the rulebook for the 1876 college football season.

            • BlackJack says:

              Because they really use their “foot” a lot in American football, right? Whereas, in soccer they use almost solely their feet. Just crazy.. Ah well, I’ll let Fred Flintstone sort it out, since he is the pre- imminent expert on soccer these days .,

  8. Juan Pablo says:

    I can’t believe some of the stuff that comes up. But that’s fine. I think people around here know I shouldn’t have to defend how much I love KU and how good it’s been to us. There’s all kinds of things flying around this time of year. The vast majority don’t stick at all.”
    Bill Self, on rumors that he is a candidate to leave Kansas for the NBA, 810 AM

    There are always crazy Bill Self rumors. The latest one i Heard it was Bil Self who donated the money to remove the track in the football stadium.
    When you are a successful coach at an elite program like KU rumors just fly out there everyday.

    • mike t. says:

      good fodder for the rumour mill juan…. Kansas fans are soooo afraid he WILL jump, we’ll bite on any little tidbit that suggests even the remotest possibility that he is looking, interviewing, whispered about in meetings, unhappy with zenger, etc., etc.

      we’re so spoiled with the successes of brown, williams and self, that we’re terrified the next coach wouldn’t be anywhere near as good.

    • Chuck says:

      I’m shocked that such a man of integrity as Kietzman would tie any kind of rumors to KU. Undoubtedly he has an un-named inside source on this one.

    • Toupee Me says:

      Two NBA all stars in 40 years is not elite. The only reason ku does anything is because they are in the worst basketball league in the nation. Bill Self is the biggest fraud going. Nobody underachieves more while receiving so much praise. He is the most overpaid coach in America.

      • Gale Sayers says:

        By that logic KU is the elite football school of the area. Three members in the Pro Football Hall of Fame compared to MU’s two and K-State’s zero.

      • Fred Flintstone says:

        I’m guessing you’re another envious MU fan who so desperately wants what KU get’s so easily, conference championships, All American’s, NBA Lottery Picks, Final Fours, and every so often, a National Championship. I understand your pain, but to say that Bill Self isn’t one of the best coaches in America is just stupid, shows how little you know about college basketball, or that you simply hate all things KU. I suspect the latter.

        But I won’t waste my time trying to explain, I’ll just simply have you go to ESPN.com and look up their current listing of the top 50 coaches in America. They’re down to #7, and Bill Self hash’t come up yet, meaning ESPN thinks he’s one of the top 6 college coaches in America.

        You think you’re smarter than ESPN’s panel of expert’s? Yeah, me neither.

        Bet you wish you wouldn’t have said that, “biggest fraud going” thing, ‘eh?

        • Richard Cranium says:

          I really think I’m smarter than 3/4 of ANYTHING they have on ESPN. The Biggest Fraud Going is ESPN, That said Bill Self is clearly in the top 10 if not 5 college coaches in America.

          • BlackJack says:

            Richard, shouldn’t you and Fred be commenting on the latest soccer development in the World Cup? After all, you two have the most unbiased, insightful opinions in that regard..

        • Toupee Me says:

          Fred I’m guessing you’re a jock sniffer who was a yell leader at JCCC who attends pep rallies but not games since your hourly wage won’t cover the ticket. The burrito salesman produces ZERO NBA talent thus he is a fraud. Get it?

          • Gale Sayers says:

            I thought he just didn’t produce quality NBA talent? Now its no NBA talent? You need to keep your trolling straight. 1/10.

          • Juan Pablo says:

            Currently on NBA roster
            Cole Aldrich 2008-10 Oklahoma City Thunder
            Houston Rockets
            Sacramento Kings
            New York Knicks
            2010-2012
            2012-2013
            2012-2013
            2013-present 1 (2010, 11th, New Orleans)
            Darrell Arthur 2007-08 Memphis Grizzlies
            Denver Nuggets
            2008-2013
            2013-present 1 (2008, 27th, New Orleans)
            Mario Chalmers 2006-08 Miami Heat 2008-present 2 (2008, 34th overall, Minnesota)
            Nick Collison 2000-03 Seattle SuperSonics
            Oklahoma City Thunder
            2004-08
            2008-present 1 (2003, 12th)
            Drew Gooden 2000-02 Orlando Magic
            Memphis Grizzlies
            Orlando Magic
            Cleveland Cavaliers
            Chicago Bulls
            Cleveland Cavaliers
            Chicago Bulls
            Sacramento Kings
            San Antonio Spurs
            Dallas Mavericks
            Los Angeles Clippers
            Milwaukee Bucks
            Washington Wizards
            2002-03
            2002-03
            2003-04
            2004-2007
            2007-08
            2007-08
            2008-09
            2008-09
            2008-09
            2009-10
            2009-10
            2010-13
            2013-present 1 (2002, 4th)
            Xavier Henry 2010 Memphis Grizzlies
            New Orleans Hornets
            Los Angeles Lakers
            2010-11
            2011-13
            2013-present 1 (2010, 12th)
            Kirk Hinrich 2000-03 Chicago Bulls
            Atlanta Hawks
            Washington Wizards
            Atlanta Hawks
            Chicago Bulls
            2003-2010
            2010-2011
            2010-2011
            2011-2012
            2012-present 1 (2003, 7th)
            Ben McLemore 2013 Sacramento Kings 2013-present 1 (2013, 7th)
            Marcus Morris 2009-11 Houston Rockets
            Phoenix Suns
            2011-13
            2013-present 1 (2011, 14th)
            Markieff Morris 2009-11 Phoenix Suns 2011-present 1 (2011, 13th)
            Paul Pierce 1996-98 Boston Celtics
            Brooklyn Nets
            1999-2013
            2013-present 1 (1998, 10th)
            Thomas Robinson 2010-12 Sacramento Kings
            Houston Rockets
            Portland Trail Blazers
            2012-13
            2012-13
            2013-present 1 (2012, 5th)
            Brandon Rush 2006-08 Indiana Pacers
            Golden State Warriors
            Utah Jazz
            2008-2011
            2011-13
            2013-present 1 (2008, 13th, Portland)
            Jeff Withey 2010-13 New Orleans Pelicans 2013-present 2 (2013, 39th overall, Portland)

            • Toupee Me says:

              Thank you for proving my point Juanita. A bunch of JAGs, not even close to an all star amongst this group of stiffs.

    • Bill's Mistress says:

      I asked Bill to do that. If I’m going to a game, I at least want the field to be pretty..

  9. Rico_suave says:

    College football boys getting their brains scrambled and limbs busted up are not only footing the bill for the football hierarchy —

    they pay for all the Title IX womens’ sports, their free rides, the resort destination roadtrips, and their coaches 6 figure salaries.

    I really like watching college FB.. but do feel a bit guilty for supporting this $cam

  10. Harwood Benjamin says:

    regarding fans’ willingness to watch players who are getting paid big bucks…they used to say the same thing when Don Drysdale and Sandy Koufax had the nerve to hold out and ask for $100,000 a year to pitch for the dodgers. How will fans relate? Who will come out to see Michael Jordan when they know he’s getting $32 million a year? I think the Bulls and the NBA and the fans all did pretty well with that arrangement. All of this comes under the category of saying one thing and doing another.

  11. Joe Blow says:

    Kansas is building an $18-million dorm for 35 basketball players. Sanity has left the buildings.

    “Kids are more into bells and whistles more than they are what happened in the nineteen hundreds.”
    Bill Self, on the new buildings and improvements being made for the Kansas basketball teams trumping what KU’s basketball program past accomplishments on the court, 810 AM

    Still waiting for Mellinger to complain about how much money is being spent for so few players at the expense of the regular students like he did about good seats being given to donors in place of students. Hmm, I wonder if there’s a correlation?

  12. The Independent Rage says:

    Can we trade Physioc & Hudler back to LA in exchange for their upcoming marijuana farmers market? Or, if they’re willing to accept Fesco in trade as well, they can have all 3 for free and keep that reggie rodeo all to themselves. The screwballs are in your court, city of angels.

    • Tim says:

      We can hold out hope for Physioc. Supposedly he has broken into Olivia Newton John’s residence several times over the years and stolen items. You may have heard her song dedicated to catch Steve…………..”Lets Get Physioc”.

      • The Independent Rage says:

        If he breaks into “Hopelessly Devoted” the next time a hall-of-famer’s in the booth, his trade value’s going to plummet below that of even Fesco’s, which I would’ve never thunk possible.

        • Joe Blow says:

          If he’s singing the Vandals’ version of “Summer Nights” while he’s breaking in, it’s at least acceptable..

          • The Independent Rage says:

            I have my own redemption thought: If Fesco in the morning goes Frank Rizzo and breaks into “There Are Worse Things I Could Do,” then I promise not to wish him traded away or transported back in time again for at least a freakin’ month or two.

  13. BlackJack says:

    GH: this is not going to add to soccer’s manliness quotient

    Oh, give me a breAk Greg Hall. I agree the biting incident is stupid, disturbing and immature as the next person. But are you really implying that other sports – Bball, football, MLB have not had their share of acts of prissiness and disgust? I can name countless, spitting, grabbing balls, cheap shots incidents, more than you can count. Shall we recount them?

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