OTC: Chiefs Go From Losers To Bruisers, Now Look Like AFC Contenders / KK Thinks Mizzou Would Be 6th In B12

“Four years ago, I had to play at a high level because I wanted a new contract and I wanted to be known as one of the best pass rushers in this league. That’s (Justin Houston’s) mentality, and it’s hard to stop a guy that has that mentality: ‘I want to be paid, I want to play for a good team, and I want to be labeled the best at doing it.’ Give credit to Justin. The will is getting him there now, and you can’t stop it.”
Tamba Hali, after Houston pushed his NFL-leading season sack total to 12 in the Chiefs win over the Jets, Kansas City Star
GH: Justin Houston, along with the defensive front of the Chiefs has Chiefs fans dreaming that their team can pull a Royals-like second-half surge and put the Chiefs in position to make a run at the Super Bowl. Can this be real? After that season-opening home loss to the Titans? After what we saw here in Kansas City in October, no fantasy is off the table. Well, that Viagra-induced four-hour erection probably isn’t going to happen.

“We just got to play like that the rest of the season. You know what I’m saying?”
Jamaal Charles, after the Chiefs moved their record to 5-3 with an easy win over the Jets, 810 AM
GH: We continue to see the networks place Charles’ rushing stats on the screen each week comparing him to the all-time NFL great backs. Jim Brown, Gale Sayers, Barry Sanders. Charles LEADS these HOF backs in yards per carry. He is the best running back to ever wear Chiefs colors. He may be the best back ever. Period.

“Dogs Daze”
Headline showing a photo of Michael Vick laid out at Arrowhead after the back of his helmet bounced off the turf and left him groggy, New York Post GH: I love what the Kansas City Star does with their headlines but the New York papers take it to another level when it comes to headline snark.

“S-t happens.”
Calvin Pace, Jets linebacker, when asked about a play during the Jets 24-10 loss in Kansas City, New York Post
GH: The Post also used Pace’s quote (minus the ‘it’) in a headline.

“That could be the slogan of the 2014 Jets. … (Pace) was talking about this particular play Sunday but he could have been referring to this entire, miserable Jets season.”
Brian Costello, writer, New York Post

“In fairness, the Jets did win something Sunday: the coin toss.”
Ben Shipegel, writer, NY Times

“Vick went 21-for-28 passing for 196 yards with a touchdown and a rating of 105.7. He did not have a turnover and completed 12 straight passes.”
Brian Costello, writer, New York Post
GH: I had no idea Vick played this well watching the game. To tell you the truth, this game was all but unwatchable for most of the second half. But a Chiefs win is a Chiefs win.

“We all feel the same way, we’re stunned by it. Shoot, we’d do anything for a win.”
Rex Ryan said, on the Jets’ eight straight loss, NY Post
GH: Ryan has to be down after this season, right? I can see him as the Raiders’ head coach in 2015. That would be so Raiders.

“Call it the ‘Butt Catch.’”
Brian Costello, writer, on Chiefs tight end Anthony Fasano’s TD catch of a tipped pass as he sat on the turf near the goal line, New York Post

“I didn’t have to do too much to catch it.”
Anthony Fasano, on his drop, catch and roll TD, NY Times

“On his way to his (postgame) news conference, Vick was intercepted for the only time all day. Tammy Reid, the wife of Chiefs Coach Andy Reid, who helped revive Vick’s career in Philadelphia, drew him close, told him she was proud of him and wished him luck. Vick will need it, next week against Pittsburgh at MetLife Stadium, and, perhaps, for the rest of the season.”
Ben Shipegel, writer, NY Times
GH: Vick has to be a better person than I think he is because I think he is pretty much trash. Andy Reid and his wife obviously see something worthwhile in him. Maybe they’re cat people.

“There were people who said, ‘This (Missouri) team will NEVER win in the SEC!’ Well, not only have they shocked the conference and the country after winning a year ago, they are back – and back big time.”
Brent Musburger, after Mizzou’s win over Kentucky and Georgia’s loss to Florida placed Mizzou in the driver’s seat to win the SEC East, ESPN
GH: There are some people who are still not convinced Mizzou is a quality football program. One f them fluctuates weekly from a Mizzou lover to a Mizzou hater on his weekly radio show. Read on.

“I have to say I have watched these (Missouri) guys on film. If they were to win out the rest of their games and make it to Atlanta, I think the defense is good enough to win that game and therefore win the SEC. The big questions is can Maty Mauk continue improving? Can Bud Sasser continue to make plays on the perimeter? Because this D is championship caliber. … The road to Atlanta goes through Missouri.”
Jesse Palmer, ESPN
GH: Can you imagine Mizzou as the SEC champion this season – after losing at home to Indiana? Before you respond, consider that the seventh game of the World Series was played at Kauffman Stadium last week.

“I think Missouri would probably be sixth in the Big 12 at best.”
Kevin Kietzman, 810 AM
GH: So…you thought the butt hurt from Mizzou, Nebraska and Texas A&M leaving the Big 12 was just water over Interstate 70? Not in KK’s world of spite. Read on.

“Nebraska misses being here (in the Big 12). My guess is this will not end well for Texas A&M.”
Kevin Kietzman, 810 AM
GH: If Nebraska misses the Big 12 and A&M is heading for an SEC hangover, neither appears to know it. Both schools have increased their stadium capacity since their departure and they both continue to be two of college football’s best game-day environments. The Big 12 lost a lot when MU, NU and A&M left. The conference screwed up in cow-towing to Texas and allowing three of the conference’s best schools to exit. Kietzman might think West Virginia and TCU are adequate replacements but he also thinks the Big 12 doesn’t need a championship game.

“I think it kind of depends where you go.”
Todd Leabo, refuting Kietzman’s claim that he has never seen the SEC Network being displayed on a Kansas City-area sports bar, 810 AM GH: I know KK thinks he is omnipresent but does he really think he can speak for every sports bar in Kansas City? Yes, yes he does.

“I have to go back and say it. We all rave about what Bill Snyder did at Kansas State but I’ve got to tell you, I don’t think Gary Pinkel receives as much credit as he deserves.” Brent Musburger, ESPN
GH: It was only a month ago that Pinkel was being filleted by many of his fans for the home loss to Indiana. Now he is back being heralded on ESPN by Musburger as the next Knute Rockne.

“He has exceeded the expectations of a lot of people who didn’t know anything about Gary Pinkel. When (Mizzou) joined this conference, there were a lot of people who laughed and thought they would never win a division championship. Now, considering (Georgia’s loss to Florida), they are looking at going to Atlanta for the second time in three years (to play in the SEC championship). This guy’s a big-time coach. He’s got this team playing good football in all three phases right now.”
Jesse Palmer, ESPN GH: College football is always unpredictable but this season might take the cake, pie and kitchen sink when it comes to surprises.

“But remember this about Missouri – they cannot afford a loss. If they fall into a tie with Georgia, Georgia wins the tie-breaker because of the loss head-to-head. So there’s no margin of error for Gary Pinkel going forward.”
Brent Musburger, ESPN
GH: There is no margin for error for any of these teams that have visions of a conference title or filling one of the too-few CFB playoffs spots.

“He is a special dude. You talk about all the great defensive linemen Gary Pinkel has had in the past? Well Shane Ray he’s right up there. He might be one of the best.”
Jesse Palmer, ESPN
GH: Shane Ray is a junior out of Bishop Miege. Mizzou is so good at producing great rush ends for the NFL they can’t hardly keep them for four years.

“This Bud’s for you! Bud Sasser with the first score of the day!”
Brent Musburger, on his play-by-play of Mizzou’s first touchdown against Kentucky, ESPN

“Missouri has had a much easier path in the SEC than they would have had in the Big 12. It’s not even arguable.”
Kevin Kietzman, 810 AM
GH: Not even arguable? Not on KK’s show where he refuses to invite a Missouri or SEC dissenting voice. Leabo simply played the role of Danny Clinkscale on this afternoon as he agreed with almost all of KK’s anti-MU/SEC statements. I sure would like to hear Kevin make that statement to Gary Pinkel this week during their weekly chat. I believe he may get an argument.

“Few had picked Oklahoma State to beat, or even seriously challenge the Wildcats on Saturday at Snyder Family Stadium, but after the Cowboys opened the game with an effortless scoring drive, anything seemed possible. Hope began to build on the visitor’s sideline. Doubt crept through the crowd. Then Morgan Burns hit the reset button.”
Kellis Robinett, writer, referring to Burns’ 86-yard kickoff return to tie the score at 7-7 and lead to KSU’s 48-14 win over the Pokes, Kansas City Star
GH: Kietzman had predicted this game would be so lopsided that viewers across the country would be switching the channel. He was right. K-State methodically moved up and down the field on an out-classed Oklahoma State. How did the Pokes get this bad after Mike Gundy was recently the nation’s coach of the year? Aren’t great seasons supposed to bring in great recruits?

“The FOX commentators for No. 9 K-State at No. 7 TCU have been released. Those names are Gus Johnson, Charles Davis and Molly McGrath.”
D. Scott Fritchen, @DScottFritchen, Twitter
GH: Gus Johnson should add just the right level of insanity a game like this one requires. I will not be switching channels during this one.

“It’s like Christmas. We get to see all the presents we got.”
Kansas basketball fan today at the office, on KU’s basketball opener tonight against Washburn
GH: Kansas’ football season was pretty much over in September after that Duke puke. It is officially over now that hoops are back at Allen Fieldhouse.

“I say this not as a threat but as a reminder to all Kansas basketball fans. All the money and all the tradition will get you nothing without the right coach.”
Kevin Kietzman, 810 AM
GH: True, but all that money and all that tradition make hiring the right coach quite a bit easier.

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56 Responses to OTC: Chiefs Go From Losers To Bruisers, Now Look Like AFC Contenders / KK Thinks Mizzou Would Be 6th In B12

  1. Kyle says:

    Thanks Kev. The last time KU did not have the “right” coach was 32 seasons ago. Oh, and that guy also took them to 2 Final Fours.

  2. Not a K State Fan says:

    I think K State would be dead last in the SEC West, even below Arkansas. In the East, Better then Florida. But I can see KY beating them.

    • red says:

      I think they would be close to the bottom if not there. think they would be competitive at first with everyone, but Waters would get hit too often with their style in that league to stay healthy and they have no backup. I think Mizzou would be close to the bottom of the West also.

    • sporty says:

      LOL, good one. Obviously, you don’t watch football.

  3. Gavin says:

    “Aren’t great seasons supposed to bring in great recruits?”

    This is the lament of every KU football fan ever.

  4. Terri says:

    I think what Michael Vick did was terrible, but I respect that he took his punishment and served his time and worked to come back to the NFL. If you don’t want to support that, don’t buy a ticket, but I admire those people who try to help those who have done wrong to change their lives so good on Andy Reid and his wife (and unfortunately they probably bring some extra compassion based on their own circumstances). Michael Vick’s main problem was that he abused dogs, if it had been women or children he never would have been suspended at the time and that is the real crime.

    • sporty says:

      I agree 100%. Michael Vick did his time and good for him for making the best of the situation. You are right, however, that people were more upset about dog fighting than they would have been about abusing a person. I can never understand that mindset.

    • Richard Cranium says:

      He didn’t only abuse them, he tortured and killed MANY dogs. Obviously it’s not “murder” however it’s not “he abused dogs”. View him how you want, but don’t muddy the water with false statements

      • KCMonarch says:

        +1. He hung some from trees and slowly electrouted them with a car battery while buring others alive. I’m not a fan of anybody being injured but when his head bounced off the turf the family canine and I split a beef jerky stick and smiled.

      • Notme says:

        Perhaps he should have just had an abortion clinic on his property. Then he wouldn’t have served time and certainly wouldn’t be as loathed.

  5. AaronB4Mizzou says:

    Mizzou must be doing something right, they’re under KK’s skin again! He just needs to enjoy KState’s run and stop worrying about those who left the Bevo 12 because I really don’t know if they’ll be able to keep it going once Coach Snyder retires.

    On Mizzou: this is the best defense I’ve seen from a Mizzou team (I missed out on the 60’s teams) and that defense is good enough to keep Mizzou in just about every game. They are really starting to play together too, as the DB’s & LB’s have decided to join the Dline in the party. This defense isn’t just about Shane Ray & Markus Golden anymore, it’s about Hoch, Vincent, Augusta, Brantly, Scherer, Brothers, Dennis, Webb…it’s deep across the board.

    Special teams are playing well too. Brisner’s punting has been rock solid, kicking – pretty good, return game needs work, nah, just kidding. Murphy may be the most feared returner in the country.

    Offense – this unit is clearly keeping Mizzou down and what makes the last three games wins or losses. If the run game is working and Bad Maty doesn’t show up, Mizzou’s other two units are good enough to bring Mizzou wins in the three remaining games, pushing Mizzou to 10-2 & another shot at the SEC title. If Bad Maty shows up, Mizzou could easily lose all three to close at 7-5 & a minor bowl. I really think that if Maty can channel his inner Trent Dilfer then Mizzou will be playing in Atlanta. Good news is the offense is starting to play better. Bad news is the offense is still pretty rough.

    • Guy Who Says What Others Think says:

      Well said. I can’t stand Jesse Palmer, but he made an astute observation when he said that Mauk needs to use his legs to gain yards by running, and not by scrambling to throw. That jackass reverse pivot he insists on just enrages me.

      • AaronB4Mizzou says:

        I noticed the other day that he did get up the field more quickly, instead of pivoting around. He’s got excellent straight line speed, so when he decides to go, he can pick up a few yards or potentially break a big one. He’s just got to realize that spinning around in circles and losing 20 yards isn’t helpful.

  6. John says:

    Great point Kevin! Every bar I go to in the city has the K-State sports network playing! I didn’t even realize there was an SEC Network…

  7. Kerouac says:

    GH: Chiefs fans dreaming that their team can pull a Royals-like second-half surge and put the Chiefs in position to make a run at the Super Bowl. Can this be real?”

    – like the fictional ‘Wizard of Oz’, only in a book or upon a movie screen, no matter how many times KCindy fandom taps their heels together…

    “After what we saw here in Kansas City in October, no fantasy is off the table. Well, that Viagra-induced four-hour erection probably isn’t going to happen.”

    – Royals had an 8 game erection the GIANTS turned limp very first game the two consummated on the field ‘World Series’… SF climaxed all over KCindy in Game 7, prematurely ending a nocturnal emmision Royals; sorry, but one wet dream a local pro sports organization per year.

    “Charles LEADS these HOF backs in yards per carry.”

    – the guy’s yards per carry has ‘decreased’ each year since 2011… such overhype for a guy who has carried the ball only 1141 times to date his career, which is more than twice as few as Brown finished with and almost 2000 fewer carries than Sanders ended having.

    Sanders 3062 at age 30 when he retired, a 5.0 average. Sayers 991 carries injury-shortened and effectiveness reduced significantly career, 5.0 age 28, just 36 carries his final 2 years – combined.
    1965, Jim Brown averaged 5.2 ypc in his final season, age 29. Charles, approaching age 28, has carried the ball only 98 times 2014 & averages only 4.4 per carry. Let’s see where his average is at (if he even lasts long enough) when he totes the rock another 1200 + times or nigh on 2000 x more than he has to date, career. For the record, Brown ended his with 2,359 carries averaging 5.3 – for his career.

    “He is the best running back to ever wear Chiefs colors.”

    – also debatable…

    “He may be the best back ever. Period.”

    – laughable…

    ~

    Games notes NYJ vs KC Sunday: a one-win team the Jets, even playing their 3rd string QB in the game, were several times in KC’s end the field with a chance tie or win the game…hardly the stuff Superbowl dreams are made of.

    Twiggy Thomas (he of the ‘world class speed’, so some say) was caught from behind on a return – so much for his alleged afterburners.

    Still no td passes to any WR now half way through the season… though the refs did erroneously award a gift to KCindy’s TE, who was touched down before he crossed the plain.

    In the parity-addled, watered down world pro football 2014, there be but a stone throw’s difference between a Superbowl Champion SEATT and a win-less team same, OAK. Still not enough ‘voodoo magic’ in Kansas City get the other KCindy #2, Chiefs, to or through that final challenge a Trophy.

    On the other, how historic would it be to have a city’s entrants Championship Game(s) lose both opportunities… would surely put Kansas City, the Royals & Chiefs on the map, if dubious raison.

  8. Juan Pablo says:

    MU fans are so happy they are in the SEC that there was another 10,000 empty seats for the UK game. The newness of the SEC has already worn off. I hope MU wins the SEC east just shows how weak the SEC is .

    Nebraska fans are not happy in the Big 10 just look at their Big 10 home schedule this year -Illinois-Rutgers-Purdue-Minnesota. and road games -Northwestern, Iowa. Nebraska is 8-1 and nobody cares becasue everyone knows the Big 10 is a joke.

    • Reformed Tradition says:

      I look forward to TCU winning the Big Xii (-ii) so we can all marvel at how good the Big East was and how relatively weak the Big Bevo is.

      /drops microphone

      • Juan Pablo says:

        TCU was not from the big east. TCU has won conferences and BCS bowl games., Same thing with West Virgina.
        MU was a mediocre turd Big 12 team that never won anything. and now MU is wining the SEC east. The SEC is the joke.

        • Not a Bevo 10 Fan says:

          So the Mountain West is a better confrence then the Bevo 10?

          I forgot though, when the SEC gets three teams in the Playoffs this yeat, two at least. It was all #SECBias.

        • Fred Flintstone says:

          TCU not only won a BCS bowl game…..it was the freaking Rose Bowl, the “Grand daddy” of them all. That one card trumps every other possible card MU can play….game over.

          Juan Pablo….the SEC is no joke, only the SEC East is a joke.

        • Reformed Tradition says:

          http://espn.go.com/dallas/ncf/story/_/id/8039159/big-east-sues-big-12-bound-tcu-horned-frogs-5-million

          Excellent work, Juan Pablo.

    • Guy Who Says What Others Think says:

      Are you really that stupid to say that Mizzou winning the SEC East means the whole conference is weak? Wait, I forgot who I’m addressing. The biggest idiot commenter in this blog.

    • Greg says:

      And how many people actually sit in the stands in Lawrence. 1,000…2,000?

      Wait to comment on a college basketball post, T-shirt ku fan.

    • Bill says:

      This may be one of the dumbest comments I’ve ever read here, congratulations on that! Being a Nebraska fan, I can tell you we are plenty pleased to have NU in the Big 10. The school will start taking in revenues in excess of $20 million a season once it becomes a fully vested member.

      One down year of a B1G home schedule isn’t going to change that. Look at the teams that have already played in Lincoln — Ohio St., Penn St., Michigan, Michigan St., Wisconsin. What more do you want from the conference? Next year NU hosts BYU, Mich. St. and Wisconsin along with Iowa to end the year.

      Keep up the bitterness, though.

      • Juan Pablo says:

        Everyone makes a lot of money now.
        the problem with NU in the Big 10 they will play teams like OSU, Mich,Penn st. at home about once a decade.
        MU problem in the SEC is they will play teams like LSU, Alabama, Auburn at home about once every 15 years. Its like you not even in the same conference. No rivalry will ever be built with these teams.

        NU fans can enjoy those great Illinois, Purdue, Northwestern, Iowa, Minnesota, games every year.

        • Guy Who Says What Others Think says:

          So Mizzou gets all the advantages of playing in the SEC, without having to knock heads with Alabama and LSU? Oh the horror!!!! And I’d like to personally thank NU for taking Mizzou’s spot in the B1G. Enjoy the reduced payouts and being treated like a redheaded stepchild by your new brethern. (Who promptly voted you OUT of the AAU) What buffoons like Juanita are failing to take into consideration is that these things are all cyclical. Florida won’t be down forever. Tennessee will get their shit together, probably as soon as next year. The SEC East will get stronger. The LHN is failing, and the sooner it does, the sooner the Big 12 is to breaking up. Sooner or later, Texas is going to get sick and tired of carrying the mail for all the plains states.

    • Dean Moriarty says:

      Nothing quite as funny as the Beaker Bandwagon talking shit about football.

      By the way, does Memorial Stadium have WiFi? I could stand to get caught up on some work this weekend and would really like to find some peace and quiet.

  9. Gravitas says:

    Agreed, the SEC “WEST” is the toughest division in the country .

    However, the cupcakes in the SEC East, like KY, SC and Vandy, and the also rans like FL, Mizzou and Georgia, lower the SEC “Conference” to just an average conference.

    BTW, Mizzou has played the 53rd most difficult schedule so far in NCAA D-I.

    Whoopee.

    • Juan Pablo says:

      MU next three games are against teams that are 3-12 in the SEC ., easiest schedule left in the nation.
      Will more then 200 MU fans travel to the SEC championship game?

      • Zard says:

        Hey Juan….Join the Chant.

      • Fred says:

        3-12? isn’t that YOUR record over the last two years? Me thinks you remind me of a guy celebrating a sack and his team is losing 53-3. Yeah, that would be the score if KU would ever play Mizzou. Beaker boy, your season doesn’t start until January. Will KU football EVER play in a meaningful game?

        • Guy Who Says What Others Think says:

          Yes, Juanita, Mizzou fans will travel by the thousands to the SEC Championship game, just like last year.

  10. yuriBadenov says:

    C’mon Greg, KK isn’t the only one thinking Husker fans are having second thoughts. Even Chatelain is speaking openly about it. http://www.omaha.com/huskers/mad-chatter-how-west-virginia-football-stole-all-of-nebraska/article_a33a3bae-636c-11e4-9404-0017a43b2370.html?mode=jqm

  11. P says:

    As a Husker fan, I gotta admit I miss the Big 12. But it has more to do with the proximity of other schools living here in Kansas City and the rivalries developed over many years. Do I wish the quality of ball was better in the Big 10, sure, but more than anything I miss going to games in Lawrence, Manhattan, Columbia and Ames. All very easy drives. And, there was some ‘bad blood’ developed that made the games really fun. That is what I miss more than anything. The banter in the office with the other local fans. There’s not really a ‘hated’ team yet in the Big 10. Wisconsin might be the closest, though I can’t stand Urban Meyer and would love to see Nebraska beat tOSU, but alas, they’re cross divisional and I don’t think we play them until 2019 barring meetings in the title game. And didn’t MU have those empty seats when they were in the Big 12 playing other ‘down’ teams? I don’t think the empty seats is some sort of new phenomenon.

    I’d like to echo the comments above regarding Vick. What he did was abhorrent, but aren’t we supposed to rehabilitate the guy? Some of the attitudes are exactly what’s wrong with our prison system in US. You go to prison for anything and forget about it, you’re effed, tainted for life. That’s pretty much the rule. Vick will be doing his time when he’s done playing ball and can’t remember what happened 15 minutes before because his brain is so scrambled from bouncing off the turf.

    • Bill says:

      NU is in Columbus in 2016, and in Lincoln vs. OSU in 2017.

      • P says:

        I stand corrected Bill. But being honest, do you not miss playing the local teams, talking shit, etc? I sure do. Maybe it’s different in Omaha, but I live in the KC metro now.

        It’s getting better in the Big 10 but there’s just not the hatred, and piss and vinegar that goes with longtime rivals yet. I’m sure it will get there but it takes time.

        Hell, maybe I’m just all screwed up from the Callahan years:)

  12. Bill says:

    That’s funny, Kietz. I was watching the SEC Network in 810 Zone in Lee’s Summit as little as a month ago.

    Also, I think Leabo has lost the will to argue with Kev unless it deals with OU. I think it has to do with arguing with a fool and people not being able to tell who the real fool is.

    • Guy Who Says What Others Think says:

      The SEC Network is on every single sports bar that have happened to attend this fall. From Buffalo Wild Wings, to Twin Peaks, to The Landing in Liberty, the Quaff, Coaches…etc. Kietzman just continues to be a complete and total moron.

  13. BlackJack says:

    Nope. As well he shouldn’t have..

  14. Speedy says:

    Name me one of the ten Big 12 schools that wouldn’t jump at an invite to the SEC. Oh, never mind, none of them would ever get one.

  15. Bob Sacamano says:

    I would love to know what 810’s ratings are now. I know they have to have fallen from a couple of years ago, because I stopped listening and so has most of if not all of my friends. KK has become a laughing stock and thanks to OTC, I don’t have to listen to KK to hear all of his idiot thoughts, I can catch them here and get a good laugh out of his ignorance. Well, there’s no need for me to go have dinner at the 810 Zone on Saturday night since according to KK they don’t have the SEC Network.

  16. BlackJack says:

    That’s because dogs rule … people suck

  17. Jayhawk Beerman says:

    More Keitzman idiotic statements above and more proof as to why I cannot stand and will not listen to him anymore!

  18. BiBi Jones says:

    Say what you want about Mizzou but they lost to Indiana….AT HOME!

    I thought the B1G was terrible?

  19. skip says:

    KK…..still in the big top

  20. Say What? says:

    The Big 12 has a slight edge over the SEC East in conference rating, but nobody in the Big 12 has to play a team from the SEC West. At least not until a bowl game and we know how that usually turns out.

    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/2014/conference/

    4-8 – Big 12 vs SEC since 2012.
    4-13 – Big 12 vs SEC in bowl games over the last decade, and 2 of those wins were by Missouri.

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