OTC: Dayton Says He Wants Ned Yost Back For Moore / How Bad Is B12 Football?

“I think Ned and Dayton aren’t going anywhere.”
Brian McRae, 810 AM

“Ned has done a terrific job, and I definitely want him back. We’ll sit down and talk about it. Contractually, Ned’s up, and we’re going to work together to negotiate a new deal. It goes without saying that I want him back.”
Dayton Moore, Royals GM, on resigning his hand-picked successor to Trey Hillman, Kansascity.com
GH: It goes without saying that is Ned gets canned then Dayton Moore looks like a two-time loser when it comes to hiring managers. I am on record stating that neither of these guys is progressive-thinking enough to deliver a winner to Kansas City. And if winning more games than you loses is what you consider winning, you deserve these two.

“I think the overwhelming majority of Royals fans think Ned Yost is doing a good job. … The thing that keeps me grounded on this show is if we want a larger audience we can’t get too bogged down on numbers and statistics. I think about my mom. I think about my wife. I think about my daughter. I think about my son who’s not so into sports.””
Kevin Kietzman, 810 AM
GH: On what planet is Kietzman that he believes he is kept grounded on his show? And who is he kidding? The reason KK isn’t “bogged down” with stats is because he can’t focus long on minutia enough to inhale the numbers of sports like Petro, Leabo, St. John and Seaboldt. And that’s fine – just don’t make excuses. 

“If they got rid of Ned they’d be mad? I don’t think so.”
Jack Harry, responding to KK’s above statement, 810 AM
GH: I cannot imagine anyone outside the Yost family and a few Royals players who would be upset that the Royals changed managers. Are there really that many Kietzmans out there?

“If you want Ned Yost back as #royals manager, raise your standards. Stop celebrating 3rd place.”
Bob Fescoe, @bobfescoe, Twitter
GH: Listen to the guy from New Jersey. Losing is losing in NY, Boston and St. Louis. Kansas City should not be so comfortable with being slightly above average. It’s unbecoming.  

“Mike Moustakas has been horrendous. Horrendous! He’s been awful!”
Danny Clinkscale, 810 AM
GH: We have been told that Moustakas turned the corner more times than the mailman. Is he real or is he a bust? Read on.  

“I think Moustakas is going to be fine. You can bring somebody in to challenge him but you give him 2014 to get himself back on the map. I’m not too concerned with Moustakas. I’m more concerned with the lack of offense from Escobar. … I’d look to upgrade at shortstop. You can’t have a position where a guy doesn’t do anything offensively.”
Brian McRae, 810 AM
GH: You can have a non-productive SS if you are getting production from your three outfield positions and the corner infielders. But the Royals have Hosmer and that is about it for consistent offensive production. After getting shut out in back-to-back games, this team does not look like a contender in 2014 without some offensive upgrades. 

“Yes, I think it’s (Ervin Santana’s) last start in a Royals uniform. Somebody’s going to throw some crazy money at him. Somebody’s going to throw five or six years at $16 or $17 million at him and he’s going to have to take it.”
Brian McRae, 810 AM
GH: Ned Yost and the Royals coaches and players sure treated Wednesday night’s game like it was Santana’s last with the Royals. The way they were all acting when Ned took him out in the seventh was like he had already been signed by Boston.

“The Royals have a stud on their hands with (Yordano) Ventura.”
Jay Binkley, 610 AM
GH: Ventura and Danny Duffy will be the hot topics come spring training. If they can add to what Shields and Guthrie bring to the rotation, the Royals will once again have a pitching staff that is good enough to make even a weak offensive club dangerous.

“I think Kansas will run the ball and run all over Louisiana Tech. I think Kansas will win by at least three touchdowns.”
Tom Keegan, columnist, Lawrence Journal World, 810 AM
GH: Nope. Kansas won after a series of fumbles and dumb plays by Louisiana Tech allowed the Jayhawks to sneak out a 13-10 win on a great, clutch 52-yard game-ending field goal by sophomore Matthew Wyman.

“The good news for Kansas? This (Big 12) league is down! There’s no question about that.”
Kevin Kietzman, 810 AM
GH: How bad is the Big 12? Is it bad enough that Texas might win it? Some believe it is – Mack Brown for one.

“The (Big 12) is almost without a quarterback.”
Gary Barnett, on the poor quarterback play in the Big 12 this season, 810 AM
GH: And how about the defenses in this league? K-State and Texas look like they can’t stop the run at all! And the Big Ten is even worse! I rate the top CFB conferences right now as 1) Pac 12 2) SEC 3) ACC 4) Big 12 5) Big Ten. Oregon looks like they should trade places with the Raiders.

“We’ve got a couple of younger (running backs) too that nobody’s seen yet.”
Gary Pinkel, alluding to the depth Mizzou has in the backfield behind their top three backs, 810 AM
GH: We should see every running back in MU’s stable on Saturday and a maybe few cheerleaders. Mizzou takes on Arkansas State this Saturday. Really, Mizzou? It’s almost October – play a real non-con game! I hate how teams take advantage of their fans with these walkover games. I hope the stadium is half full again for the second half. How does that serve your student athletes?

“Standard of fans amazes me. James Franklin ran about 60 plays last weekend (against Indiana). Made two mistakes. It was a great game.”
Gabe DeArmond, @GabeDeArmond, Twitter
GH: Gabe isn’t the only person wondering what Mizzou fans want out of their football program. Kevin Kietzman is just lived with Tiger fans…

“I really get disappointed in Missouri fans – not all of you but a huge number of you just don’t understand that this is the best coach you’ve had at Mizzou in your LIFE! This is the best your program has been in YOUR LIFE! … I think people should be talking about a statue!”
Kevin Kietzman, 810 AM
GH: I’m really disappointed in Kietzman that he thinks his act of pumping up Mizzou now to tear them down if they fail is effective.

“There is no reason (Mizzou) can’t compete in this league! None!”
Kevin Kietzman, 810 AM
GH: Is this the same KK who chastised and ripped Mizzou for a year about how ridiculous it was for them to move to the SEC? The same guy who said Mizzou will never win an SEC football title? So now there is no reason they can’t compete – in just their second season? Okay, then.

“We’re not a great football team. I understand that, but they’re a good football team. … They coached better and executed better, and it’s that simple.”
Bill Snyder, after his Wildcats were dominated by Texas 31-21 in Austin, Powercat.com
GH: If Texas is better than Kansas State – and they looked it – K-State is about to be 2-4 after games against OSU and Baylor.

“Wichita State is rewarding men’s basketball coach Gregg Marshall with a raise for taking the Shockers to the Final Four for the first time since 1965. The school announced Monday that Marshall’s amended contract raises his base salary to $1.6 million on Nov. 9 and $1.75 million next April. The Wichita Eagle reports Marshall’s previous base salary was $1.03 million without incentives.”
SportingNews.com
GH: The NCAA tourney can be a career maker for coaches – even mid-major coaches. The Shockers knocked off Pitt, Gonzaga, La Salle and The Ohio State before bowing to the eventual champion Louisville Cardinals in the semis. How many guys in Wichita are pulling down $1.75 million a year doing anything?

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38 Responses to OTC: Dayton Says He Wants Ned Yost Back For Moore / How Bad Is B12 Football?

  1. Kyle says:

    KK has not removed his nose from Pinkel’s ass since he was chastised on air by him in 2006 for stating that his tigers lost to ISU (which they did). Pinkel verablly abused him and KK has never pushed him or stopped defending him since. Simply, he is in love with him.

  2. Kyle says:

    Greg, stating that ksu WILL be 2-4 after games against OSU and BU is getting a little bit ahead of yourself. If we have learned anything about Snyder it’s that his teams will stand up and play a great game when you least expect it. Hey, I hope they are 2-4, but I certainly would not say that it’s a given.

    • JP says:

      The K State Defense will be lucky to get one stop all day against Baylor. That game has beatdown written all over it.

      • Barles James says:

        this is coming from a KU fan, right? Don’t worry, KSU will look like the 85 Bears when they invade Lawrence.

        • Kyle says:

          Kevin, is that you?

          • estoniakat says:

            A KU beatdown is a lock. Nothing about that Louisiana Tech win, a team that found itself in a lead on the road in the 2nd half simply by standing on the same field, should let doubt creep for Jayhawks fans.
            Unfortunately, Baylor’s offense might break warp speed in Manhattan.
            The trouncing in Lawrence might be K-State’s bowl game this season.

  3. Dan says:

    Lol @ the Big 12 (Texas 10). I’m so glad Mizzou is in a real conference now.

  4. Guy Who Says What Others Think says:

    So Indiana wasn’t a “real” non-con game, Greg? Now, they aren’t even close to being world beaters, but at least IU is from a BCS conference.

  5. Kyle Rohde says:

    I will say that Mizzou fans aren’t alone in having unrealistic expectations for their programs. Sorry if anybody’s tired of it, but I’ll do another Wisconsin comparison here.

    Prior to 1993, Wisconsin football had zero football history. They’d been to one Rose Bowl and lost to USC. They’d been to six bowl games total, and lost five of them. Ironically, their one bowl win was over K-State in 1982.

    Then they hired Barry Alvarez, who took them to three Rose Bowls in seven years and won them all. He went to 11 total bowls and only lost three. Then they hired Brett Bielama, who went to seven bowl games in seven years, including three straight Rose Bowls, which nobody had done in the B10 except Michigan in 70′s. He only went 2-5 in those games and lost all three Rose Bowls, unfortunately.

    Those results are part of the reason he ended up leaving for Arkansas, I think. People never warmed to him, partially because of his personality, but also because their expectations were so high. Wisconsin fans tend to think they’re the equal of Ohio State and Michigan even though they only have 1/5 the history. Maybe their new coach, Gary Andersen, will be everything Bielema wasn’t and take them to new heights. Or maybe they end up like Purdue, Michigan State, Iowa, etc. in the middle of the league. That’s where Nebraska is now too, but those fans have a right to those higher expectations.

    My point is, be careful what you wish for, Mizzou fans, and don’t get greedy.

    • trajan says:

      Here is my expectation for MU football……be at “least” as productive as Ole Miss, MSU, Arkansas, Tennessee(recently anyway), in that many years they aren’t that great but occasionally put together legit top 20 teams.I don’t expect MU to win anymore SEC championships than they did in the Big8-12, But when they were consistently running third place in the Big 8 behind the Neb. and OU juggernauts in the 70′s and early 80′s they had some pretty good teams that went bowls back when bowls legitimately meant something( I think 11-15 compared to the 35 that are around now). They should have the ability to be able to get to the same level as a SC, A&M are now…some years anyway. That might take a new coach…but I’ll be happy if Pinkel can go .500 in league play the first few years.

      • Kyle Rohde says:

        Those are totally realistic and rational, and about where I wish KU could get.

        @Buckeye, my bad – thanks for correction!

    • Buckeye says:

      Ohio State went to 4 straight Rose Bowls 73, 74, 75 and 76,

  6. John says:

    If having a winning record and NEVER making the playoffs is acceptable then by all means, keep Ned Yost. I think the guy has done the best he can do and now it’s time for another manager to get the Royals into the playoffs. Bringing him back just means Royals fans can look forward to being disappointed in the end, as usual.

  7. JP says:

    Maybe it’s me, but there is so little buzz for college football in the KC area right now. Between the Royals play this year and the Chiefs start to the season, college football has become basically an afterthought in the Kansas City area. If anything, this sport is probably overcovered compared to other sports. Possibly realignment has as much to do with it as anything.

    Yost is coming back. Mark my words, the Glass Family will “reward” him for his mediocrity as the Royals month of May pissed away the postseason. Meanwhile, some team will throw a pile of money at Santana and will regret it by Season 2. The Royals should put money away to sign Shields, hope that isn’t a pipe dream. Having said that, great job Royals of becoming relevant again. Take the next step and make 2014 a pennant winning year.

    • Kyle says:

      You nailed it JP. Not only has realignment taken away the KU-MU rivalry, it has also taken away the KSU-MU game. So instead of having 3 games per year that impact more than one of the local schools, we only have one. I think we are slowly starting to find out that rivalries really are the best thing about college sports. We are losing them, and some of the interest is going with them.

      • Guy Who Says What Others Think says:

        To some extent, that seems to be true. For most football seasons of late, KU has been a disaster, so the only real thing they had to look forward to were the games against KSU and MU. Now, half of those two games are gone. And with Illinois reaching out to Missouri to renew that series, (Illinois chose not to renew it previously) the odds that KU/KSU will play MU anytime soon are getting longer. I’ve heard unsubstantiated rumor out of Columbia that talks between KSU and MU about having a game at Camarohead have been had. Not sure if I believe that, but it’s interesting.

        • Kyle says:

          I’m sure you know why that rumor is floating out of Columbia, right?

          • Say What? says:

            I would much rather see a Missouri-Nebraska game at Arrowhead every year. Those football games had been really good the last 5-6 years they were together in the Big 12.

        • Truman says:

          Can’t see it. The nine game conference schedule in the XII alone would sour Snyder from ever agreeing to schedule that game. And with a nine game schedule looming on the SEC horizon as well, you know Pinkel will be looking to test his Tigers against the likes of Directional Tech and Hostess State in the non-con each year..

      • JP says:

        Kyle, you are correct about the cause. The other thing is that every school now schedules like Bill Snyder, in that you rarely see teams from BCS conferences battling each other. September College football is snooze worthy. Missouri/Ark. St., KU/La. Tech these aren’t games that will excite anybody.

        Plus to agree with GWSWOT, these teams not playing each other and including Nebraska, it just seems like the buzz in local college football is gone, and it’s not coming back anytime soon.

    • BlackJack says:

      Why there has been so much fanfare and fanatacism about a sport that ends in meaningless exhibition games, the odds are stacked in the favor of only a handful of teams realistically having a chance at playing in the “national championship game”, and whose institutions are the among the most corrupt in sports, is beyond me.

      College football fandom is the closest thing there is to an almost unconditional “acceptable” religious cult following.

      In my opinion, college football has been overcovered for a long time in this area. So now it seems to be probably about where it should be.

  8. “How many guys in Wichita are pulling down $1.75 million a year doing anything?” Try to the Koch Bros. They, BTW, don’t much care for the progressive-thinking direction that you would seek to take the Royals.

  9. Steve Dean says:

    This is a terribly insecure sports town. Only here would Dayton Moore and Ned Yost’s work be celebrated. Look, I’m on record saying these two have elevated the Royals from where they were before they got here. But clearly–CLEARLY–they have reached their respective ceilings.

    GMDM has a huge blind spot when evaluating his roster. He hangs on to his mistakes to the point of hurting the progress of his team. He hung on to Frenchy for a year and a half too long. He has wasted a roster spot on Getz for two years now. He has hopelessly wasted what talent Hochevar has by letting him burn as a starter. GMDM, in an ideal world, would be in charge of evaluating and drafting talent. He can find value in bit players, i.e. Lough, Bonafacio, Maxwell, but he sees more in them than is really there. He is above his head in charge of the major league roster, though. His record is proof of this.

    Ned Yost is–at best–an average major league manager. Most of his players like playing for him. He is loyal and supportive of young players…to a fault. It is fine, and admirable to show support to young, promising players. But there comes a point when results need to trump feelings and promise.

    There isn’t a clearer example of this than Mike Moustakas. Maybe the Royals didn’t have a better option at 3B than Moose. But if he is ever going to be a player, he needs to know that you can’t hold down a major league spot–particularity a power position–and suck so bad. And Moose has been simply awful this year. But Yost–AND GMDM–insisted on riding out a train wreck, and hoping it would fix itself. How many playoff-bound managers would do that?

    Yost has been pretty damn good with the bullpen. It is impossible to deny that. He hasn’t been that good with the starters. And his mind boggling insistence on favoring starter wins over teams wins shows a fatal dead zone in his managerial brain. Again, what playoff bound manager would do something so stupid?

    Yost is a personality dud, and often is surly when his decisions are questioned. I could care less about this. If he made smarter decisions, what difference does it make how friendly he is? Just win, Baby! The problem is, he doesn’t seem very progressive as a manager. He loves the sacrifice bunt. He doesn’t seem to understand how to form a starting lineup; and when he does, he won’t stick to it.

    To be fair, Yost has a below average offensive lineup, that doesn’t get on base as much as it should. And that brings it back to GMDM.

    The bottom line is this: if the Royals don’t make significant improvements in their offense next year, they will be lucky to finish where they did this year. The Royals cannot go into next year with Lough/Maxwell as their starting RF combo. They cannot have Bonafacio as their starting 2B. They HAVE to have more production out of their 3B, SS and CF spots. Whether that is new players, or haviing newer players putting pressure on those spots, the production HAS to improve.

    Most likely, the Royals will need career years from at least two players to get to the post-season. And if that doesn’t happen, GMDM needs to be dismissed.

    Again, Royals fans need to expect more, I don’t agree with it, but fine, lets celebrate as winning season this year. But next year, this town needs to be more secure about ourselves and demand success in the post-season. Otherwise, this year would have been a complete waste, and Yost and GMDM will need to be replaced.

  10. Joey says:

    Hey Greg. Have you ever heard of that $115 Billion company by the name of Koch industries that is headquartered in Wichita. I’d say Wichita has a lot of people making over a $1.75M. How about Cessna, White Castles, Coleman, Air Midwest!! Get a freakin clue Greg!!!

  11. Mysterious.j says:

    I would love to be able to pencil Duffy and Ventura into my 2014 rotation, but one has less than 12 MLB innings under his belt, and the other can’t stay consistent…or healthy…or consistently healthy. I hope they both show up in Arizona and easily earn spots, but counting on either seems awfully dangerous.

  12. rio_garchnik says:

    yes… while college football is my fave sport to watch.. their non-con non-games have eclipsed even the NFL pre-season for money/time wasting for the fans.

    As much as I admire Bill Snyder for what he’s done at the Little Apple, – his ione blemish is his “pioneering” work in cupcake non-con scheds… I recall Aggie fans back in the day wanting to give me their season tickets for games with..like.. U of Pacific.

    Nowadays..EVERY school seems to be in on cupcakes..– but Bill Snyder was the Neill Armstrong of tomato can scheduling

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