OTC: Does Dayton Moore Deserve A Chance To Sink The Royals Even Further? Fescoe Rips Mellinger For Fence Sitting

“Our philosophy isn’t going to change just because we’re six games under. We’re not going to back off. I don’t like the term ‘sellers.’ If and whatever we do (in terms of trades), it will be done with the interest of winning more games now. We’re going to keep pushing in all areas to make us a better overall team and ultimately to compete better now.”
Dayton Moore, last week in an interview with Jeffrey Flanagan, FOXSportsKansasCity.com
GH: How does David Glass read Moore’s comments and not fire him? Moore is basically saying he is driving this franchise off yet another cliff –but this time he’s hitting the accelerator.

“(Earvin Santana’s) trade value is going up. If he pops another game like that Dayton Moore really, really think about (trading him before the trade deadline).”
Mike MacFarlane, after Santana shutout the Tigers 1-0, 810 AM
GH: Santana’s trade value will never be greater than it is the next few days. The Royals need to trade him before his next start for an excellent prospect with power. Somebody like Wil Myers would be nice.

“Obviously, the ultimate goal is a world championship. But how many winning seasons have we had in the last 20 years? Two? We have to overcome that hurdle first and then move past it, and we’re trying to do it as quickly as possible.”
Dayton Moore, FOXSportsKansasCity.com
GH: Moore has had seven years to get this franchise to be competitive. And he is still making excuses and talking about “as quickly as possible.” The media is starting to notice. Read on.

“I feel confident saying that Allard Baird was a better general manager than what we’re seeing now. Allard Baird had five first-round choices – three of which have now been in the All-Star game.”
Soren Petro, 810 AM

“Losing is no longer a problem (Dayton Moore) inherited. It’s one he’s prolonging. … In this universe — the one where the Royals are on their third record payroll and have lost an average of 92 games in Moore’s six full seasons in charge — a continued plea for patience after seven years on the job is plain silly. … Moore can talk about needing 10 years. But it’s delusional to think he will or should get that long without winning soon. And right now, Moore is in charge of a big-league team that’s underachieving in a critical season.”
Sam Mellinger, Kansas City Star
GH: Neither Petro nor Mellinger have called for Moore’s job. I’m not sure what else they need to see from Moore or maybe they are reticent to publically call for a man’s firing. Why I don’t know. Firing incompetent people is a good thing when you consider the health of an organization. Bob Fescoe and Josh Klingler took Mellinger to task for not calling for Moore’s job. Read on.

“So what’s (Mellinger’s) solution to this problem? At least you and I come up with solutions. They may not be attainable but… Our solution last week was for David Glass to fly out to California and meet with Tony La Russa. I was looking for something like that at the end of Sam’s column but I did not find that. Was he calling for Dayton Moore’s job or was he just laying out a case where in a court of law he would be convicted guilty? Does he want Dayton Moore fired? I don’t know what side Sam stands on.”
Bob Fescoe, 610 AM
GH: A columnist can be direct, indirect or down right confusing. But ultimately a columnist should aspire to be read. I get the feeling Mellinger is still in that trying-to-acquire-readers mode. Kansas City wants to read Sam and be moved by him. He has just not shown a willingness to dive in and get dirty.

“I don’t know where (Mellinger) stands. I don’t know if he’s advocating that Dayton Moore be fired or not.”
Josh Klingler, 610 AM
GH: As I listened to Fescoe and Klingler criticize Mellinger’s Sunday column, I wondered if they would be this harsh if Sam was still a part of 610′s paid contributors. I hope they continue to be as frank with the other members of the local media.

“I wish he would have gone one step further and tell us what he thinks needs to happen to Dayton Moore but he wasn’t willing to do that. I hope folks know where I stand on this. I hope folks know where you stand on this. They’re not winning. It’s time to make a change.”
Bob Fescoe, 610 AM

“(Mellinger’s column) says Moore needs to be gone without saying it.”
Text from a listener to Fescoe, 610 AM

“This is the group of players that is going to get us there, and we’ll continue to add whatever we can to this group to help.”
Dayton Moore, FOXSportsKansasCity.com
GH: Translation: This is the last group of players I am going to be allowed to acquire unless they start winning these next two months. In order to save my job, I am willing to gamble we could cripple the Royals for the next three years. .500 or bust!

“I listened to Joel (Goldberg on the Border Patrol Friday morning). He reminds me of a boxer that’s broken both hands and is trying to slip every punch coming his way. He is trying to defer to reasons why it could work. At some point it’s just overwhelming. Across the board there are just all these mistakes. We’re getting to the point where there is just no defendable reasons for all the decisions that have been made.”
Soren Petro, 810 AM
GH: The entire Royals broadcasting crew and front office appear to be in save-Dayton’s-job mode. Incredibly, no one with a Royals’ paycheck seems to think the team should be looking to trade Santana. In October, after Moore and Yost have been fired, we will then hear from them how much better things will be in 2014.

“This is a good sign that they haven’t given up and laid down. They’re going to come out and fight.”
Jeff Montgomery, after the Royals won two of three from Detroit over the weekend, Fox Sports KC
GH: How low are our expectations that we should be happy to note the Royals have not given up or laid down? Monty is such a shill. And a boring one at that.

“You could sense (last week) a lot of people feeling like, ‘Oh boy, here we go. It’s over.’ So I think the Royals were able to go out there this weekend and show that they’re very much playing good baseball and staying in this thing.”
Joel Goldberg, after the Royals won two of three from the Tigers, Fox Sports KC
GH: It’s almost like Goldberg didn’t watch the series. Playing good baseball? The 1-0 win was all Santana. The 6-5 loss had enough dumb plays in it to frustrate even Ned Yost. This team is NOT playing good baseball.

“Absolutely ground-breaking. We’ve never seen that in the history of baseball. Guys who played in the 1920s and 1930s would have absolutely freaked out! Technology has taken this game to a level it has never seen before.”
Rex Hudler, on the use of the Phantom Camera for the Tigers/Royals series this past weekend, FOXSportsKansasCity.com
GH: The Phantom Camera reportedly shoots between 3,000 and 5,000 frames per second. The results for the viewer are stunning – and just another reason to stay at home to watch the game. Can you imagine the impact this kind of technology will have on the NFL? The big money for all of sports comes from their television contracts – but those same contracts are working to empty their stadiums and kill off their season-ticket holder base. Stadium upgrades just cannot keep pace with the technology that is available in our homes. How far away are we from these 80K-seat stadiums becoming decaying artifacts?

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41 Responses to OTC: Does Dayton Moore Deserve A Chance To Sink The Royals Even Further? Fescoe Rips Mellinger For Fence Sitting

  1. Merle Tagladucci says:

    GH: Santana’s trade value will never be greater than it is the next few days. The Royals need to trade him before his next start for an excellent prospect with power. Somebody like Wil Myers would be nice.

    Good luck. The only GM in the league who would trade a top hitting prospect for a rental pitcher is currently employed by the Kansas City Royals.

    • Gavin says:

      Doesn’t Santana’s contract run through NEXT season? I could be wrong and I’m not arguing with you, but if the club owns his rights through next season, that’s a better-than-average rent-a-player deal.

      • Jess says:

        He is done after this year for the Royals. The two options are trade him, or keep him and get a sandwich pick (between the 1 and 2 round) from the league. I am afraid we will not get much for him this year. That is what happens when you suck and cannot spend cash, other teams will just wait and take their chances in the off season

      • geo says:

        No. Santana is a free agent after this season.

  2. mike t. says:

    so… greg… phantom camera… what’s the viewing experience like? frames per second says something, but my feeble mind can’t translate that into a viewing experince. pixels i get, fps, i don’t.

    fire moore. now. have yost go with him.

    • GM says:

      Phantom camera is slow enough motion that you can see how much the ball compresses when it gets hit by the bat, and you can see the ripples in the bat when the batter gets jammed. When you watch the pitcher’s arm in motion, you can get a better idea of the stresses that are put on the arm. Phantom cam adds a lot to the viewing experience, but it could easily be overused.

      • Kietzman's mom says:

        Phantom cam should be pretty awesome when they use it to showcase the hits that the nfl has been trying outlaw.

    • kcredsox says:

      30 frames per second is real time, the more frames you add after that allow slow motion to be smoother and clearer.

    • Greg Hall says:

      mike, Here is a link to some MLB video using the Phantom Camera. Pretty cool stuff.

  3. Steve says:

    Lets not be fools…Fescoe’s comments have EVERYTHING to do with the fact Mellinger basically called 610 cheap on his blog a few weeks back. I’m sure Fescoe and Co thought he’d stick around for no money and were pissed he went right on over to 810.

    • Jess says:

      Fescoe needs to be pissed that his company damn near said that they are not even good enough to spend any money on. If everyone that is on a show on 610 is not gone in 6 months I would bet that 610 will go back to a country format in 1 year.

  4. Ken says:

    The other thing missing to get Moore fired would be fan apathy. But I think as Fesco noted attendance was strong this weekend.

    I also think Mellinger was inferring that the soultin was to get rid of Moore. Looks to me like a “Pioli” type situation to me.

  5. Sirr Parker says:

    Not necessarily true, Merle. Chris Davis was a trade deadline acquisition by the Orioles. He was given to the Orioles by the Texas Rangers for a reliever (Koji Uehara). Davis was a highly-touted prospect in the Rangers system and was seen as the replacement for Teixeira. He had a horrible year-and-a-half for Texas and was basically given up on by the organization, hence the trade.

    Texas just happens to be interested in Santana. They have also been to two of the last three World Series and are yet to win a title. Their lineup is stacked but they need starting pitching. They are ripe to be ripped off. Baltimore had the foresight to sell high on their reliever and buy low on a talented, yet struggling power bat.

    I do not, however, have the confidence that Dayton Moore would be willing or able to pull off such a deal.

    • Joe says:

      Rangers just gave up a top 50 THIRD BASE prospect, a pitching prospect, and two other players for Matt Garza. Could have been a great trade for the Royals. One potential trading partner gone. Maybe it will make Santana MORE valuable to another contender?

  6. mike t. says:

    GM… thanks for the description. got it. very cool.

  7. gassedup says:

    Looks like Tampa is using Wil Myers in the Cleanup spot some. He’s lucky he got traded we would be batting 7th or 8th “not to put too much pressure on him”. I’m sick of this sorry franchise. Lets keep sending out Getz and hope he gets better rather than giving another player a “real” honest chance.

    There is NO ONE I can see pushing any of the major league guys that is in the minor league system. We don’t have a single “wait till so and so gets here”. Not one.

  8. Kyle Rohde says:

    Mellinger clarified this morning on Twitter when asked by Nick Wright – he does not think Moore should be fired yet: https://twitter.com/mellinger/status/359311728162516992

  9. Gavin says:

    “As I listened to Fescoe and Klingler criticize Mellinger’s Sunday column, I wondered if they would be this harsh if Sam was still a part of 610′s paid contributors.”

    There may be a little hypocrisy at work at 610, but that doesn’t mean that Fescoe’s (and Klingler’s) criticism of Mellinger isn’t accurate. I read Mellinger’s column and I couldn’t tell exactly what his thesis was. I still don’t know what he’s advocating. The Twitter thread Kyle posted above suggests Mellinger isn’t advocating for the firing of Moore and that Mellinger seems to think that we should see how the rest of the season plays out.

    So, Mellinger lays the wood to Moore, points out all his failings and his lack of excuses and then says…that he should get another chance? That he should get to play out the season and THEN judge Moore’s performance? But didn’t Mellinger just spend eight paragraphs ALREADY judging Moore’s performance and pointing out all the ways it’s been wanting? What is giving Moore the rest of the season going to prove that we don’t already know? If you write this column and don’t call for Moore’s job, then the column is absolutely pointless. Complain about Moore begging for more patience and then preach that we need to be more patient?

    Sam, take a position. You might be wrong, but don’t be so damn wishy-washy. Writing this column and then saying “stay the course” is an exercise in pointlessness. If you think Moore needs to stay, write THAT column. If you think Moore needs to go, then have the courage of your convictions and just say so.

    • geo says:

      EVERYBODY who writes for the Star is wishy-washy when it comes to the Royals. Same goes for every other beat writer or radio guy covering them. Nobody asks Moore or Yost the tough questions…you know, like pointing out to DM that he told us a few years ago that it would take 8-10 years to win a World Series, and now all of a sudden he’s saying it takes 8-10 years just “to be in a position to be close to making the playoffs.” When he says BS like that somebody should ask him why he keeps talking to Royals fans like they’re stupid. Why does nobody call him out on this crap?

      • Gavin says:

        Exactly. We can all beat on Whitlock for a variety of sins, and god knows he had it coming, but at least Whitlock was willing to stake out a position.

        • Twy's Gibman says:

          yep – fat boy had stones.

        • NOT...Jason Whitlock says:

          UMMMM, looking back I don’t think Whitlock had many genuine positions. It was more like he always wanted to go against the grain. Or take the contrary position.

          On many topics he would take the minority position no matter how wrong it was.

          Or take stands or talk about issues he knew nothing about and the people didn’t care about.

          Remember when he took on Bob Thomas and UMKC for, “Raising the Bar”? Or how about the time he tried to talk MIAA/D2 football. He went to a grand total of two games and knew Central Missouri was the best team of all time.Or the whole Mark Mangino weight issue?

          Yeah, he took stands. But only so people will talk about him. Not genuine.

          • Twy's Gibman says:

            Excellent memory, I’d forgotten about many of those columns/stances. Maybe JW is too far on the other end of the spectrum, but especially in the context of our current local media, I still appreciated his willingness to take anybody on and then see them face to face.

  10. JP says:

    Back in the day (OK 2006-08) you knew when a Sports Executive’s time was up when Joe Pos wrote the obit column like he did for CP in 2008. Mellinger is afraid to just say the final words, it’s time to fire Dayton Moore. I firmly believe that this franchise will end up with a better than expected record, say 79-83 wins, by feasting on bad teams in August and September. It will give Royals fans the usual false hope, then we can await more disappointment in 2015.

    I am betting Moore comes back, but Yost is whacked after this season. What other choices to Dan and Davey Boy have? What reputable baseball person wants to work for such a clown outfit as the Glass Family?

  11. Kevin B says:

    I think the Phantom Cam needs more testing. Can we get Kate Upton to jog across the infield a few times? You know, just to make sure it works.

  12. nick says:

    Greg Hall said, “The Phantom Camera reportedly shoots between 3,000 and 5,000 frames per second. The results for the viewer are stunning – AND JUST ANOTHER REASON TO STAY AT HOME TO WATCH THE GAME.”

    Exactly! The lack of seeing anything worthy on the Kauffman Jumbotron is aggravating. No replays of anything remotely close or controversial. On TV, we’re used to seeing pitches from behind the pitcher so we know if a ball/stike call is good or bad. TV even has a strike box to show us. In the stadium, you have no clue if the umpire made a bad call or not. If Escobar doesn’t slide into 2nd to break up a DP, we don’t get to re-look at the play to see if our player was as boneheaded as we first thought. We don’t see highlights of other games. But we DO get to see 5,000 shots of fans smiling, kissing and posing for the camera.

  13. BlackJack says:

    Mellinger is the biggest straddle-the-fence, apologist columnist The Star has had on their payroll. Even the marshmallow-soft Posnanski called out the firing of Allard Baird, Buddy Bell, Carl Peterson, et all, just before their departures. But Sam always wants to have it both ways and put in a bunch of disclaimers and qualifiers in his opinions..

  14. Dan says:

    The Royals will never, and I repeat, NEVER go to the playoffs with Dayton Moore as their GM. He is clearly in over his head. He doesn’t value important baseball stats like OBP. He goes out of his way to acquire guys that DON’T get on base. He is blindly loyal to bad players like Hochevar, Davies, Francoeur, and Getz. I firmly believe that much like Scott Pioli with the Chiefs, it’s more important to Dayton Moore to be right about something than it is for the team to win games. FIRE DAYTON MOORE

  15. Ron says:

    The whole idea that Kansas City citizens forget about baseball just because football training camp begins is entirely made up by KK and his minions in the media. All story lines between now and the start of the football season in mid-September already have been exhausted. Talk radio’s focus on the Chiefs during the next 7 weeks is going to be utterly boring radio. I would much rather focus on actual games in baseball than a bunch of blathering about the Chiefs’ grass drills. It seems the sports media in KC gets its talking points from talk radio, because the idea that baseball ends in July has become Gospel in this town.

    • Say what? says:

      New is always more interesting than old. Media is always going to lead with what people want to talk/read/hear about because that is what drives people to those outlets.

      The Royals are basically dead and buried again , and while they still play games, none of them are meaningful. The Chiefs and KU/KSU/MU are revving up the football engines for new seasons. Fans have hopes in training camp that this will be the year the same way they do in spring training, when the Royals become relevant again.

    • E.Jack Hewlett says:

      good points. but local talk radio’s coverage of both the Chiefs and Royals is boring beyond belief, no matter what season it is. Too much coverage of the same teams is going to be boring to everyone except the people who are so invested in those teams that they’ll listen to whatever is said about them 12 hours a day. This is maybe 5% of the fan base, shut-ins and the lobotomized.

  16. Hot Carl says:

    Trade Santana for a bat and hope that Duffy or Paulino can return and provide some quality innings.

  17. Ultimate Dude says:

    Moore has had long enough. The prospects haven’t panned out and there’s no one in the minors to get excited about.

    With that being said this is and always will be an issue with ownership. The Glass family does not care about winning, only profits. They will continue to hire the same type of GM’s over and over to be the scapegoat, for their poor, yet profitable franchise. Why would you pay a guy to come in here who wants to up the payroll so you can spend more money? Not on David’s watch. To me, it doesn’t matter what Dayton or any GM the Royals get says or does. They will forever be handicapped with payroll and a scapegoat for ownership so people can have someone to be upset with. An endless cycle.

    I talked with a friend over the weekend who is a huge baseball fan, grew up in Boston and had been to every MLB stadium but 4 (Angels, Rangers, Astros, Padres) and from his outsider perspective, the Royals are just a complete joke. Granted, he’s 34 and wasn’t alive or into baseball for the 70′s and early 80′s teams, but basically was astounded that one franchise could be this bad for so long. It’s almost impossible to be this consistently bad without trying to be.

    We can talk about a new GM and Manager, but as long as the Glass family is running things, its just going to be a nonstop carousel of the same BS. When everyone the boss hires, fails; the incompetence and problem lies with the boss.

    • Ron says:

      I believe Boston went 80 years without a World Series title, so I’m surprised your friend is so surprised about the Royals’ recent struggles. It’s been less than 30 years since the Royals’ last Word Series title. Many, many teams have gone much longer than that.

      • b12 says:

        @ron. Boston didn’t have a losing record 19 out of 20 years. All this Royals fan wants is a postseason every now and then. It’s easier than ever to do, yet the Royals can’t accomplish it. No wonder objective observers think this franchise is a joke.

        Even if Moore and Yost are fired sooner than later, I have no confidence that the Royals will make it to the playoffs, much less win the division, before the Twins and White Sox do.

  18. Jeff Morris (@mister_terrific) says:

    Fesco must have a very cloudy memory of his time in St. Louis. La Russa wouldn’t last ten games in Kansas City before he’d explode. Don Tony doesn’t tolerate passive ownership or ball playing (see: Rasmus, Colby).

  19. Joe Blow says:

    My wife and I got in an argument this weekend because she’s a freakin’ Tigers fan, and doesn’t understand that having a really old billionaire owner allows you to not only do everything the Royals do, but also buy/extend people like Miguel Cabrera, Prince Fielder, Torii Hunter, Jhonny “Biogenesis” Peralta, Verlander, etc. on top of it. Any one of those guys (plus some more) could be the difference in the game on any given night, but it’s DMs fault the Royals keep losing..

    Also, anyone that thinks Allard Baird was a better GM doesn’t know what they’re talking about from the beginning..

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