OTC: Frank Haith Isn’t Going Anywhere According To His Stats / Would Chiefs Pass On Manziel?

“Watching while hosting UMKC Coaches Show…Eyes are bleeding.”
Steven St. John, @SSJWHB, responding to a MU fan on Twitter asking SSJ if he was watching Missouri’s 71-56 loss at Georgia, Twitter
GH: Mizzou hammered yet another nail in their NCAA hopes with another lackluster effort that had even their radio broadcast team calling them out again about their lack of effort. The question about the tigers has turned from, “Will they make the tournament?’ to “Will Frank Haith survive?” Unfortunately, it appears Haith is going nowhere.

“If you win 70% of your games and go to the NCAA tournament two out of every three years at the University of Missouri, not only will you not be fired, you will never be fired!”
Gabe DeArmond, on PowerMizzou.com, 810 AM

“Well, I don’t know how many coaches win 75 games in their first three seasons (which Haith would do with just three more wins) and get fired. So, yeah. Calling for his job is a bit premature. He absolutely has not taken advantage of the opportunity he’s had there, and he surely understands that whatever criticism he’s getting right now is justified.”
Sam Mellinger, KCStar.com

“I admire fans’ passion and ability to still get angry but why would anyone be surprised by (this Georgia) game so far? Not changing stripes 27 games in.”
Gabe DeArmond, @GabeDeArmond, Twitter
GH: Gabe is right of course but I know I have watched each MU game thinking this is the one where they get things turned around. The mind of a sports fan is defies logic and impossible to explain. 

“Anyone predict that Mizzou would have more road wins in football than basketball after two years in the SEC? Because they do.”
Clay Travis, @ClayTravisBGID, Twitter

“Mizzou kills it in football, blows in basketball. If fans stop caring about hoops, the transition to SEC will be complete.”
Sam Mellinger, @mellinger, Twitter

“Two years ago tonight Missouri was a three-loss team taking Kansas to OT in Lawrence, battling for a No. 1 seed. Now check ESPNU.”
Matt Norlander, @MattNorlander, writer for CBSSports.com, Twitter
GH: Was it only two years ago? And MU was coached by the same Frank Haith that currently sits on the Tigers’ bench.

“What a great job Frank Haith has done since taking over this program.”
Dino Gaudio, working as the color analyst for the Mizzou at Georgia game, ESPNU
GH: While Haith’s overall stats are worthy, the fact his three teams at Mizzou have steadily declined in performance and success should be alarming to Mike Alden. If this trend continues next season, Mizzou Arena might become the SEC’s favorite winter vacation spot. 

“I know it’s probably the right way to pronounce it, but this ESPNU announcer who pronounces it “Miss-OR-ee” really grinds my gears.”
Pete Scantlebury, @PeteScantlebury, writer for PowerMizzou.com, Twitter
GH: Growing up in Nebraska I said, “Mah-soor-ee.” Still do most of the time. I occasionally fall into my wife’s family’s NW Missouri dialect and let slip a, “Mah-sur-rah.” I kind of enjoy that a three-syllable state has so many different pronunciations.  

“I need to change the word ‘easy’ to ‘best,’ that way I compliment every Kansas fan. It’s the best job in the country.”
Kevin Kietzman, after declaring the Kansas head basketball job the easiest in the country, 810 AM 

“Based on the players (Kansas) has compared to the other teams in their league, it’s just as easy for Kansas to win their league as it is Wichita State. … I am in no way commenting about anything other than saying Bill Self is wonderful and Kansas is awesome.”
Kevin Kietzman, 810 AM
GH: I believe KK would sound a lot more convincing if he just dropped the I-respect-Kansas-above-all-else routine and get real with his audience. Does anybody out there still buy his act?

“Have to give some props to IU. I LOVE that they’ve kept the same style uni over time. #Classic look. I even love the candy-striped warm-ups.”
Rex Chapman, @rexchapman, Twitter
GH: In the 1970s those Indiana red-and-white-striped warm-up pants and other outlandish warm-ups were the rage around high school basketball. Today’s high schools have scaled way back from the heavy tops with collars and bell-bottom pants. Some of the best high school teams wore the most outlandish stuff. I think it was Fairbury HS in Nebraska who wore something similar to Indiana’s look in the early 70s. The Fairbury Jeffs had a guy named Bob Siegel in my same class who was almost unguardable. 

“Sports Illustrated was in Omaha at the last gm with a photog and tons of equipment. SI Cover boy Doug (McDermott)?”
@TheBluejayCafe, Twitter

“I think there is a very real possibility that (Johnny Manziel) goes number one. I also think there is a very real possibility that he starts sliding. I think there is about a one-in-four chance that (the Chiefs) are going to have to answer that question (of whether or not to take Manziel with their 23rd pick). I think the Chiefs would just let him keep on sliding because there will be another player there that they’ll like better.”
Soren Petro, 810 AM
GH: Could Johnny Football slide to the Chiefs? No way. And if he did? Andy Reid and John Dorsey would grab him like he was a skinny left tackle.

“Kentucky is the latest SEC school to offer Lee’s Summit, Mo., QB @DrewLock23. A lot of schools will be impressed with his athleticism.”
Jeremy Crabtree, @jeremycrabtree, Twitter

“The second I can switch from Time Warner Cable I will. Channels don’t work. Customer support was no help. They basically steal my money.”
TJ Carpenter, @TJCarpenterWHB, Twitter
GH: Why is the business of supplying quality cable or satellite TV programing and fast Internet access so damn difficult? We all feel your pain, TJ. Well, at least those of us not on Google Fiber.

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26 Responses to OTC: Frank Haith Isn’t Going Anywhere According To His Stats / Would Chiefs Pass On Manziel?

  1. Kyle says:

    Correction Sam, mu killed it in football for a year. Not so much the year before. Haith was a horrible hire who profited from a fairly large talent base that Anderson left over. His track record has proven that he can’t coach. First time I have agreed with TJ. TWC sucks. Have never had any problems with Uverse and I get every channel known to man…even the Longhorn Network. Best service out there.

    • Jim says:

      Ditto, Kyle. Had TWC for decades and was finally able to switch to U-Verse about 3 years ago. I had TWC guys out to the house about 2 or 3 times a year every year and they never could get it all fixed. Horrible. Only time an AT&T guy came out to the house in the last 3 years was to deliver all the wireless boxes. Which, by the way, are the shit! I spend most summer evenings on my deck watching the Royals, etc.

      • mike t. says:

        must be nice. I keep checking on u-verse and keep learning it is still not available in my little corner of prairie village. rethink possible my a_ _.

  2. kylerohde says:

    I’m mystified why so many complain about TWC. I’ve had service with them for eight years now, with nary a problem. The few times I have issues, they respond quickly on the phone, via Twitter or at the store on Barry Road. They’ve offered me better deals to stay with them when I’ve called to cancel, and I feel like the $130/month a pay them for Internet and cable is a good deal. If the Comcast thing works out, the package of options we get from them will get even better so hard to complain unless the price goes way up.

    Everybody loves Google Fiber now…but let’s wait until they have a real subscriber base before anointing them the exception to the rule. I’ve had multiple friends with long waits and multiple appointment times to get Fiber installed so they’re not perfect. I’d like to have the option of switching to them, but they gotta get AMC first. No Walking Dead, no switch for me!

    • Fred Flinststone says:

      Agree with you Kyle, I’ve had TWC since it was Telecable, and we had A & B switches. I’ve never had a lick of trouble with my cable, phones, or wireless internet. My internet in fact is way faster than the processors on my computers can run.

      Zero complaints with TWC from me.

  3. Jim says:

    That whole conversation about KU being the easiest job with KK, Clink & Boal was entertaining as hell. Only KK would call KU’s success over the last couple of decades “easy”. The best part of the whole thing was when KK said he must not be making his point clear. Clink told him that just because his point was crystal clear doesn’t mean he has to agree with it. Classic.

    • Hot Carl says:

      Yeah, if KU’s success was so easy everyone would be doing it. KK is such an ass clown.

    • Kyle says:

      Maybe DC has been reading blogs like this and finally realizes that the whole city thinks he is KK’s personal bitch/punching bag. He is starting to show some fight now and then.

      • JP says:

        Amen, did you hear him go at KK over David Glass? I wonder if this is temporary or if Clinkscale got that testoreone that Petro’s always pushing on his show. He’s been more argumentative lately and that’s made a better show.

  4. Mike says:

    KK, perhaps part of Bill Self’s magic is that he makes the job look so easy. Because I distinctly recall some times where Roy would make it dadgum known about the challenges and pressures of the job. And there also was a short period prior to Larry Brown’s arrival where KU was nowhere close to the ‘easiest’ job. Of course, that was two sports eras ago.

  5. Fred Flinststone says:

    “If you win 70% of your games and go to the NCAA tournament two out of every three years at the University of Missouri, not only will you not be fired, you will never be fired!”
    Gabe DeArmond, on PowerMizzou.com, 810 AM”

    WOW, How does one limbo underneath a bar that is set so low?

    And the fan base’s only retort is, “Well, we may be bad, but look how bad KU’s football team is.”

    • Richard Cranium says:

      This is true. However KU football IS bad, thus they have a point. Hawks have hired 2 coaches completely over their head, and have failed utterly. Misery has done the same in basketball. Failing miserably in football is FAR worse then failing miserably in basketball, in my humble opinion.

      • Kyle says:

        Sucks to fail miserably in either.

      • chuckart says:

        Missouri hasn’t “failed utterly” in basketball. They have been in the tourney each of the last two years and are still on the bubble this year. This year and last haven’t been great years but they aren’t miserable failures. It is on par with going to a crappy bowl game.

        • Richard Cranium says:

          Norfolk State wasn’t a fail? Sir, if a season is decided by how much you’ve accomplished during the regular season, then why is there a tournament?

          • Kyle says:

            It was a huge fail, but you still can’t wipe out the regular season. mu had a great year and lost in a single elimination tourney. KU won league championships and 05 and 06 and lost in the 1st round. Can’t wipe out the whole season. You would have to wipe out almost the entire Schottenheimer era with the Chiefs if that was the case.

  6. nick says:

    GH: “I believe KK would sound a lot more convincing if he just dropped the I-respect-Kansas-above-all-else routine and get real with his audience.”


    There’s no more entertaining radio than KK’s yearly minimizing of another Self/KU league title. I hadn’t listened for weeks, but yesterday was must-listen radio for me. KK went through his usual list…”Big 12 is mediocre”, “KU gets all the NBA players”, “they have no other contender to worry about”. All Self knows how to do is win league titles. He did it at Tulsa, he did it at Illinois. His big “failures” are a 3rd place finish his first year at Tulsa, one 2nd place finish at Illinois, and a 2nd place finish his first year at KU.

    I love KU, and think they’ll be fine whenever Self leaves, but I’d bet no future KU coach ever again wins 5-straight league titles, let alone 10.

    • Kyle says:

      The funny thing is that it was just about 10 years ago when KK said Texas had officially passed KU as the premier program in the B12.

  7. JP says:

    “I need to change the word ‘easy’ to ‘best,’ that way I compliment every Kansas fan. It’s the best job in the country.”
    Kevin Kietzman

    The KU job is one of College basketball’s crown jewels, no doubt about it. As far as being the “best”, that may be just a little over the top. KK uses this kind of talk to rationalize the Big XII and specifically his alma mater’s failings in basketball. If only KU wasn’t the best? KK is pretty easy to read.

    Bill Self has taken KU to another level. Before him, Larry Brown resurrected the program. Then Roy took it to another level. Roy however would not recruit hard east of the Mississippi River. KU wasn’t getting into the east coast and southern states, since Roy didn’t want to recruit against Dean. Self has taken recruiting to another level. He has adjusted and KU is in the running for the best players year in and year out. Is KU the best job? I think it’s subjective. Considering that Duke and Carolina have natural advantages (weather, more good in-state players). Plus there’s always Kentucky.

    One last point, the KK and Mad Jack’s of the world will at some point say that Bill Self is KU basketball and it won’t get better. Should he leave, I anticipate the top coaches in America will be calling, so don’t think KU’s success is just Bill. The program recruits itself as noted in the previous paragraph.

    • nick says:

      I agree that KU’s success isn’t “just Bill”. And KU will be fine over the next many decades. But it IS possible that Self’s tenure will be the most consistently dominant at KU.

      What’s cool is how seriously Self takes the responsibility of trying to ensure future success for the program. He’s already been instrumental in updating the practicing and training facilities. And just Monday, top-notch new dormitories were announced to start construction. If KU fans are lucky enough to have Self around another 5-10 years, KU’s future will likely be set up even more.

  8. heeterjoe says:

    I hope that you all realize that you are feeding the troll that is Kevin Keitzman. If you don’t like him, then quit listening to him! You are all suckers for letting him get under your skin. I quit listening to his B.S. a few years ago, and have not missed it at all. I get the feeling that many of the people that bitch about KK on this board can also be found shopping at Smoke and Fire.

  9. Louis says:

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  10. Jayhawk Jeff says:

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  11. TigerLarry says:

    Hey Jayhawk Jeff, Go stick your d_ _ _ in one of your hard drives!

  12. Java Man says:

    Does anyone really think that MU would look back in 4 years and say firing Haith was a mistake? I don’t see the guy as having an “upside”. Maybe the only upside is that no other program will EVER come knocking at his door.
    Time to move on.

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