OTC: How Realistic Are The Chiefs’ Chances In Indy? / Big 12 Hoops Look Hot / Gottlieb Goofs

“I think a playoff win will validate the (Chiefs’) season. I think a playoff loss will leave a lot of people to say, ‘Same old Chiefs. Same old failure.’ Even if they lose on Sunday, the level-headed Chiefs fan should say, they turned it around from 2-14 to 11-5. The level-headed fan will say this organization is headed in the right direction. I am not level-headed.”
Steven St. John, 810 AM

“You look at the Colts and every time they played a team in their division the second time they beat them even worse than the first time around.”
Danan Hughes, 610 AM
GH: I want the Chiefs to win and I want to be as positive about their chances as say Chiefs’ super fan X-Factor. But I can’t see a lot of reasons to think the Chiefs have more than an upset chance in Indy. That stomping the Colts applied just a couple of weeks ago at Arrowhead is just too fresh.

“I got more handsy at my neighbor’s Christmas party last night than Kendrick Lewis has trying to tackle all day.”
Mick Shaffer, @mickshaffer, during Chiefs loss to Colts, Twitter

“Good Morning America is covering the lawsuit against the Chiefs from Jovan Belcher’s family.”
@ArrowheadPride, Thursday morning, Twitter
GH: Good grief, people – have you no pride? Does it always have to be someone else’s fault? What happened to being held accountable for shooting the mother of your infant child and then taking the coward’s way out by offing yourself in front of your traumatized teammates and coaches? I hope the media does all it can to cover this story fairly – and I mean from the Chiefs’ perspective just as much as the family’s side.

“If there ever was a position in the NFL that should change (the way college football players are allowed to leave college), these (running backs) should be paid from the ages of 19 to 22.”
Andrew Brandt, NFL analyst for ESPN, 810 AM
GH: This is one reason I expect Henry Josey to announce shortly after the Cotton Bowl that he will not be returning to Mizzou for his senior season. I can’t think of anyone who should have a problem with this if he does bolt for the NFL early.

“I don’t get it. I don’t get it. If I was a betting man I would be running to the betting lines in Las Vegas to put my money on Missouri. And I said the same thing about K-State and I was right.”
Nate Bukaty, on Oklahoma State now being a 1.5-point favorite over Mizzou in the Cotton Bowl, 810 AM
GH: What Kansas State did to Michigan in their bowl made their five-loss season turn from September angst to December excitement. Huge props to the Cats for turning things around once Snyder decided on the correct quarterback. As for Mizzou against OSU – this game should not even be all that close. I like the Tigers by 14 plus. I still root for the old Big 8 teams as if they were all still in the same conference.

“Did it look like the American was a step below the other leagues when UCF was pummeling Big12 champ Baylor? Just asking.”
Michael DeCourcy, @tsnmike, Twitter
GH: Baylor’s loss is a blow to the Big 12’s football reputation. But an Oklahoma win over Alabama tonight could erase all questions about the Big 12’s status. An Alabama romp though would add to the conference’s sinking stature. The Sooners could give us all a big boost with an upset win tonight.

“Congratulations to Michigan State, hell of a team the earned the title Rose Bowl champs.”
Shayne Skov, Stanford linebacker, @ShayneSkov11, following Stanford’s loss to the Spartans, Twitter
GH: I want my athletes and teams to compete like crazy during the game but show humility and grace afterward. Skov exemplifies what it means to be a college athlete in his tweet.

“It’s amazing, Kansas City has FOUR TV stations that ALL have the most accurate weather report in the city. That’s impressive.”
TJ Carpenter, @TJCarpenterWHB, Twitter
GH: Is it any more amazing than KC having two all-sports radio stations that claim to be the most powerful, most-listened-to and best since Marconi?

“As conference play approaches, what’s the best league in college basketball? Gotta be Big Ten or Big 12. I’m leaning Big 12.”
Jason King, @JasonKingBR, Twitter
GH: The Big 12 looks fantastic. How about the job Bruce Weber is doing at Kansas State this past month?

“It’s a great step. We were very humbled and embarrassed in Puerto Rico. We came back and talked about controlling December.”
Bruce Weber, on K-State’s win over Gonzaga, 810 AM
GH: Where are the easy games in the Big 12? At Texas Tech? Maybe. This is going to be one wild winter in Big 12 hoops.

“Things worse than Garrick Sherman’s beard …go.”
Doug Gottlieb, @GottliebShow,  tweeting during the ND/Ohio State game about the Irish’s big man’s beard, Twitter
GH: Gottlieb tweeted this out during the game to elicit some humorous responses from his many followers. What he likely did not expect is the reaction he received from Notre Dame’s Garrick Sherman…

“Your ability to stay eligible at Notre Dame.”
Garrick Sherman, @gsherm11, responding to Gottlieb’s crack on his beard, Twitter

“In case you didn’t already know, Gottlieb played for Notre Dame for one season in the mid-1990′s, but was caught stealing credit cards from students and making $900 charges to the cards. This act led to his expulsion from the school¹. Sherman may have fought fire with fire tonight, and twitter seems to really be on the side of the Fighting Irish player-the current one, that is.”
Cam Newton, BustingBrackets.com

“Very well done Doug. Your maturity and class never fails to shine through… got any credit cards I can borrow?”
Garrick Sherman, @gsherm11, Twitter
GH: When professional broadcasters engage college athletes in a tense public dialogue, it is usually not a bright move on the broadcaster’s part. Gottlieb found this out quickly, despite trying to diffuse the situation.

“I got nothing but love my man, the beard is a good Amish look—u have the right to swing back—or shave—“
Doug Gottlieb, @GottliebShow,  responding to Sherman’s tweets, Twitter

“I have no love for you or respect for you. You’re biased and ignorant. Stay outta my mentions.”
Garrick Sherman, @gsherm11, Twitter
GH: I like Gottlieb’s work because he isn’t a cookie-cutter analyst. He is willing to make bold statements that I at times find brilliant and at other times ridiculous. I hope he is able to walk that fine line and stay eligible for his job as he matures and learns how to cope with the perils of social media.

“Boyz in da hood.”
Restaurant Exhaust Systems Cleaning Company
GH: I saw this painted on the side of one of their trucks riding east on I-435 in Overland Park. Gotta love creativity.

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54 Responses to OTC: How Realistic Are The Chiefs’ Chances In Indy? / Big 12 Hoops Look Hot / Gottlieb Goofs

  1. Guy Who Says What Others Think says:

    Gottlieb is a major league tool, who got slapped down publicly. Hilarious!

  2. hammy says:

    I would respect Gottlieb more for taking bold statements if he owned them when he was wrong. instead he either ignores or continues to act like he is right.

  3. P says:

    Look on the bright side Big 12 football, you could be Big 10 football. Nice wins by Nebraska and MSU yesterday but the performance has been forgettable for the rest of the conference, especially if you consider new members Rutgers and Maryland.

  4. JP says:

    While a playoff win would be nice and validate the season, the fact is this is a new regime that has reinvigorated the Chiefs. I agree with Coach Cowher, that it’s a new season and everything is different in the postseason. If there is any team due some good luck in the postseason, it’s the Chiefs. I’m glad they’re playing the Colts, a chance to knock them out and exercise playoff demons to boot. The team seems to be embracing postseason and that is a good sign.

  5. m says:

    Odds are we face Denver if we get trough Indy. How many playoff demons can one team slay in one post-season? Did the Bills make it in?

  6. nick says:

    Wish the fist Chiefs/Colts game could be replayed without the Kniles Davis fumble. The game turned on a dime after that. I think the Chiefs bring it, and bring it hard. Just worried about our secondary.

    Good win for K-State, though Michigan’s freshman-led offense was KU bad.

    Vegas has the MU/OSU game pegged right. It’ll be close, and could go either way.

    Does Big 12 suck because of Baylor’s loss, or is it good because T. Tech beat Arizona State and KSU shredded Michigan?

    • Tim says:

      Nothing is as bad as KU bad…c’mon

    • Biff says:

      KSU, MU, have never won a BCS bowl like KU. You would think KSU and MU with their greatest coaches in history could of won at least one BCS bowl.

      • john says:

        mu has also never lost 25+ conference games in a row

      • yuri says:

        Wow, and KU never won a Bowl Alliance game (97 Fiesta for KSU), which was even tougher to get into than a BCS game. BCS is dead now, I guess we get to start a new game with whatever we call a premier bowl game in the playoff era.

        • kylerohde says:

          I hope either one of ’em makes it that far sometime in the future. KU is a damn hard job to win at, and so is KSU when the coach isn’t Bill Snyder, as all you Wildcats will remember when the old man finally hangs it up. He’s a once in a lifetime coach and you more than likely aren’t catching lightning in a bottle twice.

          • yuri says:

            Fair enough, until proven otherwise. I think that is why you see the steady drumbeat of facilities improvements going on at KSU right now to make it that much more attractive (even though Bill isn’t asking for them). Combined with daily flights directly into Manhattan and (hopefully) a grown-up making the next hiring decision, we will have a better story to tell than we did in 2005.

        • Biff says:

          Swing and a miss, the Bowl Alliance did not include the champions form the Big 10 or Pac 10. It was a mess, thats why they changed it.

          • yuri says:

            They also didn’t include the Rose Bowl and it’s slots as well as the ‘bonus’ championship game (in this years case, 2 ‘Rose Bowls’).

        • Kansas Marine says:

          And for all the Bill Snyder greatness KSU fans claim, the all-time series still stands at 65-40 in favor of KU. And last time I checked KSU was still the only BCS school to never win a championship in any sport (unless you count cow milking or dung toss).

      • Phaedrus says:

        “could of”

        Really? Assuming you’re a KU alum, you just insulted your school far more than anything an MU fan could say.

      • Dan says:

        Mizzou has been to multiple Orange Bowls. They’ve also been to the Sugar and Fiesta Bowls. Just because they didn’t have the arbitrary title of “BCS” doesn’t make them any less meaningful. Kansas fans need to shut the fuck up about football until their team becomes something that isn’t a pathetic joke.

        • Biff says:

          The BCS has been around the last 15 years and MU never even made one.
          MU fans live in the past. Nobody cares if MU went to a Orange Bowl over 50 years ago when they wore leather helmets.

          • yuri says:

            Kind of like those Helms titles they claim in Lawrence?

          • Guy Who Says What Others Think says:

            A KU fan blathering on about an Orange Bowl that happened five years ago, and accusing other fans of living in the past. Now, THAT’S funny. Newsflash: No one outside the state of KS cares if KU went to an Orange Bowl 5 years ago. Your football program is in a complete and total shambles, and is the running punch line in Big 12 football. You really continue to make yourself look dumb by trying to denigrate the KSU and MU football programs. Both of which have had more recent sustained success.

            • Biff says:

              KSU and MU the two greatest programs in history, but they have never won a big game.
              It is nice MU fans get excited about lower tier bowl games like the cotton bowl.

              • yuri says:

                In the last 4 years, KU has won 2 games at their home stadium. In that same period, KSU has won 3 games in that same stadium. Stick to basketball.

              • Steve says:

                Also, kinda hard to call the Cotton Bowl a “lower tier bowl game” when it’s going to become the fifth big-time bowl game along with the Rose, Fiesta, Sugar and Orange Bowls next season. But other than that, you’re point was spot on.

                • Biff says:

                  That will be next year. Its a lower tier bowl this year.

                  • Steve says:

                    OK man, troll away if you wish. If you really think the Cotton Bowl is a lower tier bowl then you don’t know anything about college football. The Heart of Dallas Bowl is a lower tier bowl. But sure, a bowl with two top-15 teams that nearly made a BCS game is pretty low on the totem pole.

  7. Richard Cranium says:

    Okie State is a Big 8 Team. They are also still in that conference. Why on earth would you root for the slavers in a game like this. I do NOT like MU’s chances, and more importantly, I’m sure they’re gonna get Pinkled once again on Friday night. Watching wins be snatched from the fans is just glorious. Miseri fans revel in losing the way traditional powerhouses revel in winning. I love the angst and sorrow that comes about with those close losses. LOVE it

  8. Tim says:

    Gottlieb is a big part of the reason I look forward to (as a Mizzou fan) playing oSu in the Cotton bowl. He has done nothing but diminish Mizzous accomplishments this year because he was envious they were ranked ahead of his Alma mater. He discredited their wins yet could not defend oSu’s loss to WVU. Looking forward to a beatdown (i hope) and a twitter meltdown by him.

  9. Biff says:

    It would help the Big 12 this year for OU to win or keep the game close against Alabama tonight.
    With all the teams changing conferences and the playoff coming I don’t think what conference your in matters much in the future.

  10. Brian Mills says:

    re: Gottlieb

    “as he matures and learns how to cope with the perils of social media” ??

    Why would we want him to mature? He’s entertaining *right now* the way he is.

    And what perils? That dang nab social media!

  11. ksudenny says:

    Gee Biff – KSU didn’t play some patsy soft ACC team in their 2 BCS bowl games. KSU had to play hmmm lets see – oh thats right Oregon and Ohio State. KU lucked into playing an always overrated Virginia Tech Team. KU fan fails to recognize that.

    • nick says:

      I disagree that the 2007 Virginia Tech team was “patsy soft”. Whatever, who cares. KU has a cool trophy with oranges in it. It’s awesome. It was a big year for KU football and an INCREDIBLE coaching job my Mark Mangino. Terry Allen, Turner Gill and Charlie Weiss can tell you how tough it is to win at Kansas. Your sour grapes won’t diminish Kansas’ remarkable one-year feat.

      • Will says:

        What was the ku football schedule ranked in 2007? Had to be close to 75th. And that’s after the MU game drug it down from near the century mark.

  12. Splitlog Quindaro says:

    I am a huge KU fan but this is the year we lose 5 or more in the conference. Kietzman said that there are just a few schools in a league by themselves and then there is everyone else. He put KU in that class. I disagree. The tradition thing means less and less. It is the current coach that matters. There are Hoibergs and Drews’ and McDermotts, and Stevens’ out there in every conference that don’t care about KU or KY or Indiana tradition. They can crush you. And the number of great coaches is increasing… Wichita State is exhibit A.

    • estoniakat says:

      I agree with the coaching depth. And although, I was not a fan of the hire, I would add Bruce Weber to the list. I was expecting a train wreck of a rebuilding year, but he knows what he is doing in recruiting, in XOing, and now … I will not be shocked if they contend for the title. He’s the perfect fit for K-State.
      Please, someone hire Hoiberg away to the NBA.

  13. Joe Blow says:

    “You look at the Colts and every time they played a team in their division the second time they beat them even worse than the first time around.”

    Team in their division are the Titans, Texans, and Jaguars. That statement says *nothing*. They also got blown out by the Rams, Cardinals, and Bengals. They beat the Titans by 3, and then 8, so Hughes’ statement is barely even accurate.

    The Chiefs, being almost assured of the 5 seed, played the Colts really soft and very vanilla. The Colts still thought they could move up in the standings, which they didn’t..

    “As conference play approaches, what’s the best league in college basketball? Gotta be Big Ten or Big 12. I’m leaning Big 12.”

    As conference play approaches, what’s the best hyped league in college basketball? Gotta be Big Ten or Big 12. I’m leaning Big 12.”

    Fixed it for you..

    GH: I like Gottlieb’s work because he isn’t a cookie-cutter analyst. He is willing to make bold statements that I at times find brilliant and at other times ridiculous. I hope he is able to walk that fine line and stay eligible for his job as he matures and learns how to cope with the perils of social media.

    Hasn’t he been doing this for years? When is he going to actually mature?!

  14. Personal accountability took the last train for the coast some time ago, Greg. You can sue for just about anything these days — all you need is the right judge to get your case in front of.

  15. brett says:

    regarding andrew brandt’s comment about college running backs deserving to get paid, i couldnt agree more.

    yesterday i watched the maurice clarett 30 for 30 on greg’s advice. college running backs are like heads of lettuce rotting on the shelf. by the time they put in their 3 years in college, their bodies are breaking down.

    in college i was a bellhop at the providence marriott, which is where all of the patriots opponents stayed. i’ll never forget delivering ron dayne’s dry cleaning to his room. he was in just his 2nd year with the giants and this was before the very first preseason game of the year. he moved around his room like an old man- he was 23 years old. those 6400 yards at wisconsin had broken him.

    • Tigerpiper says:

      And Nick Saban gets overpaid (and every college coach gets overpaid) because their labor is FREE. Nothing, nada. And don’t say the education is payment because its a sham more often than not. I’d love to run a business with free labor, except I have a conscience.

  16. BlackJack says:

    GH: The Big 12 looks fantastic. How about the job Bruce Weber is doing at Kansas State this past month?

    Not impressed yet. Besides Gonzaga, K-State has barely played anyone during the December winning streak. Gonzaga is the only win that K-State has against a top 50 team on kenpom.com.

    Let me know once they have played a road game in the Big 12.

  17. Tim says:

    Did anyone hear Fescoe’s rant this morning about Bill O’Brien being named the Texans head coach, and that nobody who coached under Bill Belichick has ever done anything? He said Mangini, then McDaniels, then Romeo, then it sounded like he was going to say Weis, but caught himself realizing he would be talking about his alma mater’s coach. He then very clearly said these guys as NFL head coaches.

    • Greg says:

      Everyone, including Belichick, Pioli, McDaniels, Weis, et al., owes their entire reputation to Tom Brady. Brady has made a lot of people very wealthy and successful. “I was with the Patriots.” the best line available. All because of Brady.

  18. Kansas Marine says:

    “The Big 12 looks fantastic. How about the job Bruce Weber is doing at Kansas State this past month?” -GH

    Are we supposed to be impressed? Kansas State has tallied three losses while playing the 298th most difficult non-conference schedule. Away from home and against decent competition, they’ve lost. And the best team they played beat them by 30. The feather in their cap is a win against a Gonzaga team they played in a home-environment, and whose best win came against Saint Mary’s. Why are we so eager to praise teams who exceed the low standards they’ve set for themselves?

  19. Kerouac says:

    “How Realistic Are The Chiefs’ Chances In Indy?”

    – as realistic their gratuitous 9-0 start portending future success (2-5 crash & burn i.e., ‘fart caught in a whirlwind’ sufficing for reference)…

  20. Biff says:

    “Things worse than Garrick Sherman’s beard …go.”
    Doug Gottlieb, @GottliebShow,
    Have you seen this guy Garrick. Doug is right on this one.

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