OTC: MU’s Kim English Talks KC BBQ & B12 Tourney / SI Story Exposes UCLA Hoops

“I’m looking forward to Kansas City [and the Big 12 tournament]. There’s some great food here [in Columbia] but I’m ready to get some Gates, man. I like Jack Stack’s but I love Gates!”
Kim English, on his upcoming trip to KC next week with the Missouri Tigers for their final Big 12 basketball tourney, 810 AM
GH: English said he frequents the original Gate’s on 12th Street with Marcus Denmon and his family when he comes to Kansas City. He said he has never sampled Arthur Bryant’s or Oklahoma Joe’s. I would suggest Kim add Rosedale’s in KCK, LC’s on Blue Parkway and Brobecks on 106th & Roe to his list of KC-area BBQ haunts to sample with @MizzouMonster when in town.

“The breakfast is actually awful here [at Mizzou]. The eggs are runny and the pancakes are warm – not hot. I’m hoping the $19 million dollars we get from the SEC improves the breakfasts here for future Missouri athletes.”
Kim English, 810 AM
GH: If Kim English decides to stay around the great state of Missouri and not head home to Baltimore, he just might have a shot at politics in the Show-Me State. But Kim is hoping for an NBA career. Read on. 

“I’m not a happy crier. The only two ways I’m going to happy cry is winning the national championship or I get drafted. Those are the only happy tears I’ve got in me.”
Kim English, when asked if he was close to tears on Mizzou’s senior night, 810 AM
GH: I think English has more of a chance to shed his happy tears over a Mizzou national championship this April than he does of hearing his name called in this summer’s NBA draft. Kim likes to call them as he sees them but his vision is often clouded when he and his game are the focus. 

“Attendance announced at 14,837. Short of a sellout on senior night.”
Steve Walentik, @Steve_Walentik, writer, Twitter
GH: Mizzou continues to struggle in filling up Mizzou Arena – even for senior night for a squad that will likely win 30 games this season. It is hard to still blame the continued indifference on Quin, Ricky and ‘dem Crackers. 

“Hey, if you’re in the [Tiger] club, you’re missing a heckuva game.”
Mike Kelly, three minutes into the second half of the ISU/MU game, on the number of empty seats in Mizzou Arena to start the second half, Missouri Radio Network

“[Iowa State] is going to be a tough NCAA Tournament team. They won at Kansas State, and I told Fred Hoiberg that I commend him for that because I think it’s freakin’ impossible to win at Bramlage Coliseum!”
Kim English, 810 AM
GH: Mizzou was swept by a fifth- or sixth-place Kansas State team – and those two losses likely cost them a share of the Big 12 title. What makes the KSU losses even more maddening for MU is that Frank Martin’s Cats have lost four home games this season. I think K-State and Iowa State could be sleeper teams in the NCAA. It’s a good thing for KSU that all the tourney games will be on the road. 

“I was at a loss for words reading that [Sports Illustrated story on UCLA basketball]. I cannot believe that goes on in college basketball – the partying and Reeves Nelson just being crazy. He would have got knocked out within two days by me and Marcus on this basketball team. There is no way we would have let that creep into our basketball team.
That article was crazy. I couldn’t believe some of the stuff I was reading.”
Kim English, 810 AM
GH: The SI story written by George Dohrmann paints Ben Howland’s basketball program at UCLA as an out-of-control, drug-addled, lawless mess. Reeves Nelson is portrayed by his former teammates as being physically abusive in practice, demeaning to ball boys and even one incident where he gathered his roommate’s clothes together on his bed and urinated on them before overturning his rommy’s bed. 

“Every single one of Dohrmann’s accusations and claims about Nelson set forth above is categorically false. What sources, if any, fed him this vicious and defamatory nonsense? Dohrmann fails to identify any of these sources in his article, although he claims to have spoken to “more than a dozen players and staff members from the past four Bruins
teams.” If Dohrmann bothered to speak with any of Nelson’s claimed ‘victims’ (as he repeatedly refers to them in this screed), he would learn that none of these events ever happened.”
Keith A. Fink, attorney for Reeves Nelson, in a letter sent Thursday to John Huey, the editor of Sports Illustrated
GH: Fink is demanding that SI immediately retract the comments about Reeves Nelson, despite Nelson being quoted in the SI article saying, “On all that stuff, I have no trouble admitting that I lost control of my emotions sometimes. I take responsibility for my actions. I’m really just trying to learn from the mistakes I made on all levels.” Fink
sounds like he’s spewing a lot of lawyer-speak about another idiot that doesn’t
deserve to be protected.

“One underclassman upset about his lack of playing time says he stopped wearing his jersey under his warmups during games. When Howland ordered him to the scorer’s table during garbage time in one game, the player responded, ‘Sorry, Coach, I don’t have my jersey on.’ ‘It’s something I can’t believe I did,’ says the player. ‘But there was so much crazy [stuff] going on it didn’t seem that crazy then.’ ”
George Dohrmann, writer, Sports Illustrated
GH: Imagine this happening at your high school. Now imagine that happening at UCLA. Fact is always stranger than fiction. You just can’t make this stuff up.

“Some guys make over two-hundred grand [a season as referees in college basketball].”
Mitch Holthus, on college referees, 810 AM
GH: Is it just me or does that sum sound ridiculous? And these guys cannot be publicly critiqued by coaches? That’s even more ridiculous than their pay.  

“That’s a friend trying to help a friend. They’re like the 68th-funded basketball program in the country. They have no money.”
Bob Fescoe, attempting to explain why Bill Self would be discussing scheduling Nebraska for future basketball games, 610 AM
GH: The day Nebraska needs to schedule Kansas in a basketball game as a fundraiser for their program might be a few years away. The Huskers fund everything in their athletic department from a little football program you may have heard of in Lincoln. Word is that in an interview on 810 this morning that Self denied talking to Doc Sadler about scheduling NU in the future. He called Tom Shatel’s report in the OWH “wrong.” 

“Everything’s fine with Jack. He had a bad day but everything’s fine. He’ll bring it. Things got a little personal, too personal for him.”
Frank Boal, who works with Jack Harry at KSHB TV 41, when asked about Harry’s appearance on Kevin Kietzman’s show on Wednesday, 810 AM
GH: Jack needs to toughen up. Sounds like his bellyaching to KK got him just what he wanted – a boatload of sympathy from his support group. He ought to change the title of his TV 41 segment to “Jack Smacked.”  

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30 Responses to OTC: MU’s Kim English Talks KC BBQ & B12 Tourney / SI Story Exposes UCLA Hoops

  1. P says:

    Fescoe is so full of crap….Nebraska just opened a basketball practice/training facility and is building a new arena. The practice/training facility apparently rivals any in the country.

    Just another dumb statement by that moron.

  2. Bart Jason says:

    *whisper*…Greg, it’s “Gates Bar-B-Q,” as in “Ollie Gates”…no apostrophe s (‘s)…

    just the copy editor coming out…*smile*…

    • brett says:

      what’s with all the grammar nazis on this message board?

      this isn’t the wall street journal. it’s a local sports blog. lighten up and enjoy it.

      • Jim says:

        Brett, you should capitalize the first letter of each new sentence. HaHa……just busting your balls a little.

      • Bart Jason says:

        brett (since you don’t capitalize your name *teasing*), Greg & I were contemporaries when he worked at The Star…I’m just keeping him out of trouble…he’s cool with it…you should be, too…peace!…

    • Greg Hall says:

      Bart, I am always thankful for the assist!

  3. Smartman says:

    John Wooden is spinning in his grave. Everything he did for that program is down the drain.

    Again Mr. and Mrs. Fescoe, I’m sorry about your son.

    Frank and Jack are just a local version of Lemon and Matthau in Grumpy Old Men.

    • Anon says:

      Wooden couldn’t say a flippin’ word, because his program was a huge beneficiary of having a booster conduct money laundering in order to finance casinos and serve as an “adviser” for incoming recruits.

    • MUC says:

      Again Mr. and Mrs. Fescoe, I’m sorry about your son.

      That is pure gold. Well done sir.

  4. Orphan of the Road says:

    Sports Illustrated has been a fountain of misinformation as long as it has been in existence. They had an expose of Bachelors III, Joe Namath’s club in NYC, which got it closed. Then it came out the article was spun in someone’s head rather having any merit to it.

    SI did an article on Jody Nicholas after he returned from Viet Nam to return to racing motorcycles. They had so many mistakes Jody sent out letter of apology to us and his sponsors.

    I’ll always have a few grains of salt with any SI article.

  5. Merle Tagladucci says:

    “I’m not a happy crier. The only two ways I’m going to happy cry is winning the national championship or I get drafted. Those are the only happy tears I’ve got in me.”

    I don’t see Kim reaching for any tissues any time soon.

  6. Mick says:

    Actually the part about the UCLA player not having his uniform on under his warmups isn’t so far fetched. The same thing happened to Ralph Malph on an episode of Happy Days. It was the same episode where Richie missed a free throw with :01 second left to send the game into overtime.

    • Guy Who Says What Others Think says:

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Awesome. I remember that episode.

  7. Guy Who Says What Others Think says:

    You really think English is going to venture over into Kansas for BBQ? Come on, man. Sheezus.

  8. Scott Simon says:

    What’s Mitch been smoking? A college official gets $300-500 a game, higher than that in bigger conferences. $200,000? At $1,000 a game, he/she would have to be at 200 games a year. Five months if you included the NCAA month, that’s 40 a month, 10 games a week? The math doesn’t add up. Doh!

    • @aleitel says:

      there have been lots of reports on 810 this week of big 12 officials getting upwards of $2,000 per game. sounds crazy, but this is what was said.

  9. Huskerfloyd says:

    Greg – Good call on Brobeck’s. I went there for the first time a couple of months ago. I was very impressed and have been back twice. A nice little extra is they have loaves of bread out so you don’t have to ration the one/two slices you normally get with your pulled pork/brisket. Yes, I’m a pig. They offer other types of BBQ sauce if you don’t like their “house” sauce (Gates, etc.) .

    On the other hand, I visited Johnny’s BBQ in Olathe and the Filling Station in Lee’s Summit recently. Both were solid, if unspectacular.

  10. PV_Pathfinder says:

    Assuming there’s at least some truth to the SI story, then Howland is either lazy or arrogant. Or worse, both. A few years removed from a handful of Final 4’s for a school that can get into most recruits homes just on name alone… and unable to dominate an incredibly weak PAC-12? Whatever ice there may be in southern california, it’s getting pretty thin under Howland.

  11. Arte says:

    If I was UCLA–I’d load up the bank and call Bill Self and say here it is.

    • J-Rok says:

      If Bill Self didn’t leave for the boatload of money T. Boone Pickens was supposedly offering him to coach Oklahoma State, I don’t see him leaving for UCLA. Stranger things have happened I suppose.

      • Java Man says:

        Getting some of the best recruits in the country to fill out the most talented roster in the conference year after year after year….
        Makes me wonder how much is Coach Self, and how much is the school.
        Self could use another challenge at this point.

  12. kathy says:

    As a K-State fan, I have to give big congrats to the MU bball team on a great year. They have bee fun to watch. I love listening to Kim English being interviewed. Seems like a great guy. Also, special congrats go out to Dixon and Denman, KC boys who represented our town proudly! Hopefully, MU and K-State will meet in the Big 12 finals!

  13. As for Reeves Nelson, you know a dude’s got problems when the lawyers have to start trotting out adjectives for the word “false.” Categorically, patently, indisputably, palpably, demonstrably false.

  14. randyraley says:

    Kim English is a breath of fresh air. Seems like a decent kid, doesn’t seem like a hater. Could see him being an analyst so something along those lines. Would probably be better now than half the ESPN clowns they employ.
    Man, I miss Rosedales. “one and one”.

  15. chuck says:

    Greg- Brobeck’s Bar B Q is alwasy consistant. I get overr there 3 times a montha dn it is great.

    My last three trips to Gates, at 103rd and State Line-the food was literally inedible. The meat was all fat and the sauce was even watery.

    Jeeze it was terrible. I am done with that place.

    Kim English is an interesting kid. I don’t know jack about basketball, but I did catch that interview he did with Jack Harry. Very funny stuff.

  16. W Jones says:

    Self has already said that he hasn’t talked to anyone about playing NU. Keep in mind Shatel is an MU guy.

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