OTC: Oh How Mizzou And Their Rise In The SEC Has Changed Things Since 2012

“There are millions of SEC fans scratching their heads and hating every second of it.”
Kevin Kietzman, on the success that Texas A&M and Missouri have experienced during their first two football seasons in the SEC, 810 AM
GH: Who is more upset with A&M’s and Mizzou’s success in the SEC? Their former conference mates in the Big 12 or their new pals in the SEC? I am going to venture the opinion that Kietzman, the Big 12 schools and fans are far, far more upset with the Aggies and Tigers winning than the SEC schools and fans. Does KK really think the SEC is upset about adding another Heisman trophy to their history? Does KK really think Texas doesn’t care that A&M is now THE football school in the state? There is a lot of hatred directed at MU and A&M but it’s not coming from the SEC, it’s coming from the Big 12.

“I have always said I could not understand a fan rooting for another team in their conference to win. Now, I honestly believe that we have fans in this city who are rooting for conferences. … I’ve never seen a team [like Missouri] brag about a team in their league that’s better than their team and wear that like that’s their trophy! ‘Did you see Alabama? That’s SEC, baby!’ Well, no. Go beat Alabama! Alabama winning all these national titles didn’t help Missouri.”
Kevin Kietzman, as he discussed MU’s entrance into the SEC last season, 810 AM, 2012
GH: I went back and grabbed some quotes from the 2012 season just to look back at what was being said and discussed about Mizzou’s and Texas A&M’s inaugural football season in the SEC, just a year ago. Read on for a look back to last fall.

“Enjoying all the ku/ksu fans tweeting me Mizzou will get blown out by UGA. Maybe so, but if so, what’s that say about the Big 12?”
Gabe DeArmond, @GabeDeArmond, of PowerMizzou.com, Twitter 2012

“I think A&M will be very average.”
Paul Finebaum, SEC sports talk show host on Sirius/ XM, Columbia Tribune 2012
GH: No team took more heat for choosing the SEC over the Big 12 than A&M. And no team has made more people eat their words than the Aggies.

“I think Missouri has a chance to be a surprise team. We’re sitting here in early August, but I think Missouri’s going to beat Georgia on Sept. 8 and somewhat shock the world, and I think if that happens, Missouri will be in a position. It’s still going to be difficult. There’s some games I don’t see them winning, like at South Carolina, home against Alabama. But I really think after that, there’s some possibilities.”
Paul Finebaum, Sirius/XM sports talk show host, in an interview with the Columbia Tribune’s Steve Walentik, Columbia Tribune 2012
GH: You just missed it by a year, Steve.

“Is Gary Pinkel the guy to take Missouri to the next place – and is Missouri capable of going to the next place?”
Blair Kerkhoff, 810 AM 2012
GH: This question remains as relevant today as it did last October…but for entirely different reasons.

“Les Miles said to me in a guarded moment; ‘Does Missouri know what it did?’ That’s kind of how they’re thought of right now.”
Dennis Dodd, on Mizzou’s move to the SEC, 810 AM 2012
GH: Mizzou’s success in the SEC and how they and A&M have literally changed the way the SEC plays football should make every Big 12 fan proud. I am guessing it does not.

“If we execute, nobody in this league can touch us. Period.”
Sheldon Richardson, MU’s boisterous defensive lineman, Columbia Tribune 2012
GH: Looks like Old Man Sheldon knew what he was talking about.

“It looked like players and coaches had quit during that first half [of the MU/A&M game]. It was 42-0 in the first half!”
Steven St. John, 810 AM 2012
GH: Things did not look good last season for Mizzou – and the South Carolina and A&M games were maybe the most embarrassing. What a difference a year makes. So maybe there is still hope for Kansas football?

“I say bare minimum, Missouri’s got to be in a bowl game next year.”
Gabe DeArmond, reviewing the Tigers’ disappointing football season, 810 AM 2012
GH: Pinkel has gone from the hot seat to the SEC’s COTY candidate.

“In the history of the Big 12 Conference, this is the toughest it’s ever been. You have six teams that you can make a legitimate argument that can win the Big 12 this year.”
Carrington Harrison, 610 AM 2012
GH: Hard to believe how competitive the Big 12 was a year ago and how non-competitive it appears here in late October.

“Everything is perfect [in the Big 12]. The only complaint is the football coaches don’t like playing nine games.”
Kevin Kietzman, 810 AM 2012

“I think [Kansas] has a chance to get into some shootouts with some Big 12 teams. If they can [stay close] into the fourth quarter, maybe they can pull off some upsets.”
Tom Keegan, Lawrence Journal World columnist, 810 AM 2012
GH: I think Keegan might be the least insightful insider amongst our local college teams. Is there anyone who covers KU athletics like they’re a journalist and not as a fan?

“Everybody wants to call me up and ask me if I want to take back what I said about Collin Klein. No! He is exactly the same passer that he was last year! Kansas State is last in the Big 12 in passing!”
Kevin Kietzman, 810 AM 2012
GH: Yeah, sure glad that Collin Klein guy graduated.

“We will turn this around, ladies and gentlemen!”
Mitch Holthus, as he signed off of his Chiefs’ Kingdom radio show with the Chiefs record at 1-5,  810 AM 2012
GH: I’m kind of glad last year is over.  

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48 Responses to OTC: Oh How Mizzou And Their Rise In The SEC Has Changed Things Since 2012

  1. rico_suave says:

    With the Chiefs spectacular rebirth, and St Looies battle with the Sox in the World Series..

    not a whole lot of people care about Mizzuri in the Hee Haw conference.

    • Jim says:

      Wow! You really do live in a cave don’t you, Rico?

      • Alphonse Tooty says:

        Thanks, Rico, for taking time from your nuclear fusion research to share that with us.

        • Biff says:

          No one cares about MU or football is St. Louis . it is the Cardinals 24/7

          • Guy Who Says What Others Think says:

            As a transplanted St. Louisan, I can assure you that once again, you’re totally full of shit and don’t know what you’re talking about. Are the Cardinals the big name in town? Of course. But to say that no one cares about Mizzou football in the city with their greatest number of alumni, is just flat out stupid. But of course, you illustrate your stupidity with every single post you make here. Stick to something you might know…like the air pressure in Bill Self’s balls.

          • JP says:

            As someone who travels in the state of Missouri on a regular basis, I can attest that Cardinals Baseball is #1 on the passion gap for sports fans in Missouri. The Cardinals have earned that position and as much as we all hate St. Louis and their fans, you have to give the Cards organization their due.

            Having said that, Missouri is not a state where the College Passion will ever overtake the passion of pro sports. Yes, they love Missouri, but having 2 medium big cities will take away from college football. Alabama, South Carolina, even Georgia (Where UGA Football is king) don’t have that problem.

    • Mike DeArmond says:

      Rico. First in with the dumbest of comments.

      • artemmis says:

        Wow! Shrewd, incisive analysis!

        Perhaps DeArmand and John Kadlec could host a highly intellectua Mizzoul talk show..

        on PBS obviously for their upscale viewers..

        perhaps they could skype it in from their respective nursing homes.

        • Mike DeArmond says:

          Actually Art, we could. Feel free to use your real name when you have something to say beyond failing at humorous insults.

  2. Will says:

    GH: I went back and grabbed some quotes from the 2012 season just to look back at what was being said and discussed about Mizzou’s and Texas A&M’s inaugural football season in the SEC, just a year ago. Read on for a look back to last fall.”

    Let’s not. You mailed it in just like KK today GH.

    • artemmis says:

      say.. heres a quote from DeArmand:”

      DeArmond put that on display over the weekend, with these commentshttp://www.pitch.com/FastPitch/archives/2010/11/02/mike-dearmond-kansas-city-star-mizzou-beat-writer-calls-nebraska-kansas-and-st-louis-cardinals-fans-inbred on Metro Sports’ Missouri-Nebraska pre-game show (watch the video below):

      “There are Cardinal baseball fans, there are Kansas basketball fans
      and there are Nebraska football fans. They were all born of the same

      parents. They’re all inbred, separated at birth because they’re all just

      impossible to handle.

      They think the world revolves around them. They think that no one

      should possibly question their moral superiority and therefore anytime

      anybody beats Nebraska it’s a good day.”

      Inbred? Moral superiority? Cue the mushroom cloud; we have a media meltdown. (I tried to get DeArmond to respond, but he had “no comment.” Editor Mike Fannin hasn’t responded to an e-mail.) But it’s not like anyone cares about objectivity these days.


      • Mike DeArmond says:

        Three year old comment Artie. Come on, you can do better than repeat one of my best lines ever. And it is DeArmond with an “o”.

        • artemmis says:

          Granted..that comment was truly historic!

          First , and only, time EVER!…

          someone from the SEC.. yes the S… E…C…

          actually referred to OTHER teams’ fans as being “inbred”.

  3. Kyle Rohde says:

    Keegan is awful. No idea why he’s the editor or employed by the LJW still. Matt Tait creates 90% of the good football content from that publication.

    • Kyle says:

      Still not as bad as the faux journalist right above your comment.

      • Mike DeArmond says:

        Kyle, cannot wait for your next blog on your old cars. Lol

        • Kyle says:

          Uh okay Mike. And thanks for stopping by again.

          • jerk says:

            I don’t know much…but I know that Mike DearmOnd comes off as a fucking asshole 95% of the time. Hey dick, when you’re important enough for people to know it’s an “O” instead of an “A”, people won’t screw it up.

            It’s pretty hard to watch Mizzou have as much success as they’re having. I think they’ll probably do about what they did in the Big 12. On years when the schedule smiles on them, they’ll do well just like they did here in the Big 12. There were years in the Big 12 where they beat good teams. Georgia and Florida aren’t any better than other Big 12 wins they had here. It’s just they’ll have to beat teams they are equal to or slightly better than in the SEC bc it’s so deep. They were a good to very good program here…I think they’ll be a good to very good program there as well.

            But right now, you have to give the program and especially Pinkel credit. They’re shutting a lot of people up this year. No thanks to their typical, woe-is -me fans, of course.

  4. Biff says:

    The problem with MU is they are at the bottom of the SEC in recruiting going on Three years now. TX am and MU are still using their recruits from the Big 12 , Wait a year or two then see how they are doing. I think TX am will do ok in the future but MU is so far behind in recruiting now it will a long time to catch up.
    It is good that two mediocre Big 12 teams like MU and TX am are doing well in the SEC. it just shows how over rated the SEC is and how good the Big 12 is.

    • Jim says:

      Just so I have this straight…….MU & aTm are winning in the SEC with Big 12 recruits but it’s going to get worse when they start playing with recruits from the SEC? Ummmm…..OK.

      • Guy Who Says What Others Think says:

        Biff has never been able to grasp the idea that Missouri is winning in the SEC with recruiting classes that while middle of the pack in the Big 12 when signed, would’ve been at or near the bottom of the SEC. Biff, try to get this through your thick skull, Missouri is already winning in the SEC with lower ranked recruiting classes, and will continue to do so. Gary Pinkel and his staff have proven over the past decade that they can identify talent, and develop it into high level college players.

  5. brett says:

    i disagree that “conference pride” began with conference realignment. as a mizzou fan, i always sized up the big 12 against the other conferences. i remember cheering for vince young to put the over-hyped reggie bush-led trojans in their place in the 05 championship game. i remember feeling embarrassed for the big 12 after oklahoma was stomped by florida in the 08 game.

    the quality of your conference foes directly affects your stature. if mizzou goes 6-2 in the sec, people take notice. if louisville goes 6-2 in the aac, no one cares.

  6. nick says:

    Outamind outasite.

    When MU was in the Big 12, I truly wished they’d lose every game. Despised them. Now, with them in the SEC, it’s a totally could-care-less attitude. I feel indifferent. Win? Big wool. Lose? Big woop.

    KU’s easy to crap on right now. It’s a long corner, but they’re turning it.

    • Alphonse Tooty says:

      Yet you are compelled to tell us that you don’t care. Odd.

    • Guy Who Says What Others Think says:

      Yet, you continue to post about MU here almost every time they are talked about. Like Biff, Mizzou lives in your head, no matter how much you deny it. But go ahead and continue to post about how you don’t care, because your actions clearly show that you do.

    • brett says:

      nick is like the dumped girlfriend at the club that sings/screams along to “since u been gone” and “all the single ladies” only to go home and cry into a half gallon of chocolate ice cream.

      translation: claiming over and over how much you don’t care about something demonstrates just how much you actually care about it.

    • Will says:

      That corner is so long it looks like a straight line to the shitter!

  7. artemmis says:

    I lived & worked in St Louis for a number of years.

    As a verry rough estimate.. newspaper.. TV..talk radio..water cooler chat..

    like.. 85-90% — Cards

    they’re just a great franchise

    ( and I’m a Royals fan)

    the other 10%- 15% of chatter was about the Blues, ..Rams

    and Mizzou

    in that order.

    • JP says:

      You forgot to note that after Cards, it is High School and what High School did you attend? I always get that question from St. Louisan’s and I don’t live there. But your analysis is right on regarding passions in the St. Louis area. I would say extend that to just east of Kingdom City and you have nailed it.

      • artemmis says:

        good point about HS..

        I also spent waaay too much time driving around rural MO, from Sikeston cotton fields to the cornfields outside Rockport..

        all I could get on the radios seemed to be either hillbilly music..

        or.. KMOX ..

        blabbing Cardinals… 24/7.

        and those fans are truly rabid.. callers would rattle off not only Cards batting avgs…but of the players in the minors!!

        and..this in the pre-internet days..

  8. BlackJack says:

    Essentially, this blog post serves as a “stir the pot” talking point tool by GH as a way to open up old wounds and bitterness between the local college fan bases and get the trash-talking flowing once again. Is the now-fading KU/MU rivalry growing too cold and stale for ya, Greg?

    I think it is much too early to call MU and TAM’s move to the SEC a smashing success. Neither program has won any trophy yet, and by all accounts Mizzou’s first season was a big disappointment. True, it looks like they have total control in a down SEC East at the moment, but they could easily still lose a few games and/or get destroyed by Alabama in the SEC champoinship game (if they make it that far), so let’s hold off on the grand coronations just yet.

    • Guy Who Says What Others Think says:

      Kind of hilarious when all the folks who didn’t like the MU move to the SEC were the first to shoot off their mouths about how last year’s struggles on the field clearly showed the move was a failure. But now, those same folks want to take a wait and see approach.

      • BlackJack says:

        Funny how defensive some MU folks can be; won’t speak for others, but speaking for myself, I thought the move to the SEC was mostly unnecessary, and was like trading apples for apples. I certainly do not think the move was a mistake or a failure, but is not the pot of gold some MU fans think it will be.

        • Bob Sacamano says:

          True it hasn’t been the pot of gold we expected that starts in 2014 with the SEC Network. Mike Alden will have the Brinks trucks lined up around the block taking all that money to the bank.

        • Guy Who Says What Others Think says:

          If Mizzou wanted to be a part of a forward thinking conference, that treats all members equally, and doesn’t bow to the wishes of one or two, it was indeed necessary. What wasn’t necessary, was Texas (and to a lesser extent, OU) attempting to run the conference. It took the loss of 4 schools and nearly the collapse of the conference for things to change. And even then, the conference had to enact rules to attempt to keep other schools from leaving later. Here’s an idea…make your conference a place where no one WANTS to leave.

  9. randyraley says:

    I find it amusing reading these articles and the comments. As a guy who misses KC very much(I think it’s one of the greatest cities in the Midwest), AND a fourth generation (that I know of) Cardinal fan, I find the hatred of the Cardinals and the team hard to fathom.
    My mom and dad spent their honeymoon at Busch so she could watch Stan Musial play. He and Hank Williams were gods in my house. It goes back that far.
    I don’t think you’ll ever hear a Cardinal fan say we’re the best fans in baseball. It usually comes from a player on the team or an opposing player or manager. What other set of fans would give the Red Sox a standing ovation at Busch after they swept us in 2004?

    Why do players want to play here?
    Why did Carlos Beltran want to play here, when he had offers of more money from a number of places? I’m sorry you let him go, but don’t blame us.

    Don’t forget, the Cardinals were the furthest team west until the Dodgers and Giants moved to California. That’s a lot of fans who passed the fandom down generations. It goes back that far.
    I grew up east of Springfield Mo and our entertainment in the summertime was Harry and Jack calling the games through the crackle of KMOX, which can still be heard in 44 states.
    Inbred? I guess being a Cardinal fan is in our DNA here.
    The Cardinals bring up talent they’ve signed and developed and not in blockbuster trades. The way it should be.
    A few (like Beltran) came from free agency.
    I know haters gotta hate. But hating the Cardinals, for doing it right?
    The Cardinals should be the model for what the Royals should be doing.
    BTW, I read a few weeks ago that Jack Harry was hammered for saying Go Redbirds on his twitter account. Really? How petty. Rooting for a Missouri team. Tough crowd.

    This summer, I spent a few nights at Busch and I was scoreboard watching to see how the Royals were doing. Driving across Iowa this summer(where my job takes me), I would constantly be listening to the Royals on XM. I certainly would never hate on the Royals, I’m rooting for them.

    We expect to win, if we don’t, we tip the cap and say the better team won.
    The Dodgers tried to get into our heads. We did what great teams do to show them up. Beat them. Soundly. No lip, no yacking, just go out and play.
    We don’t get in your face, pound our chests or act like fools.
    We just win.
    No one gets beaten up or get beer thrown on them at Busch because they root for another team.
    Win with class, lose with class.
    Success breed contempt, I guess.

    And Mizzou? Yeah we’re paying attention over here.
    A lot. Hope the streak continues. Tough game tomorrow.
    There’s a reason why we’re not quite as in tune with the Tigers as we should be…it’s called The World Series.
    I really hope the Royals make it one day, I know from this side of the state, I’ll be rooting for them.

    Oh, and KU fans? I guess could you could settle the Mizzou hating on the basketball court.
    Oh wait..

  10. E. Jack Hewlett says:

    If the Big 12 is as non- competitive as you claim, how about telling us the order of finish, Greg?

  11. Harry Balczak says:

    I think it is hilarous that the best team in the SEC is from the North, not the south! Eat it confederate scum!

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