OTC: Trouble In K-State Paradise / Kietzman Calls Twitter “All Garbage & Trash”

“I thought (Daniel Sams) would be in
the game a lot more but it just didn’t…I don’t know if he even made
an appearance really in the second half. To leave all that talent
on the sideline is, you know, upsetting. I mean we can get both of them on the field.” Tramaine Thompson, K-State
wide receiver, talking about K-State using juco transfer Jake
Waters at quarterback over Sams for most of the snaps in the Cats’
31-21 loss at Texas, 810 AM GH: Things are different at
Kansas State this season. Collin Klein is gone. I believe Klein is
one of the most valuable and important college football players to
a program and a university in the modern era. Hyperbole? Maybe. But
keep an eye on Coach Bill Snyder and his Cats the next few seasons.
A lot of the kudos tossed Snyder’s way the past two seasons were
just as deserved by that Ron Prince recruit out of Colorado.
“It could be better.” Bill Snyder,
when asked about his team’s unity, 810 AM GH: Kansas State
is one of the friendliest campuses I have ever visited. The entire
populace of the Manhattan area seems to be recruiting you as you
announce you are a visitor. To hear Snyder question his team’s
unity is a concern. But it appears to be justified. Read on.

“We obviously have guys who just weren’t in it tonight and
it showed. So we’ve got to get everybody in and going toward the
same goal as everybody else. We can’t have them dragging us down.”
B.J. Finney, K-State’s All-Big 12 center,
following K-State’s loss in Austin, 810 AM GH: Could
Kansas State have taken the Longhorns lightly? It had been 10 years
since K-State lost to Texas and the Horns had looked awful in their
blowout losses to BYU and Ole Miss. But to hear Finney talking
about some members of the team dragging them down is another sign
that things are different in Manhattan this
  “It’s frustrating
because Daniel can do both (run and throw). And we haven’t shown
it. It’s pretty frustrating because we all know that that’s how he
feel. When it happen like that we need to switch it up. But we
didn’t for whatever reason.” Tramaine Thompson,
K-State wide receiver, 810 AM “I thought (Sams) would be in the
game a lot more but it just didn’t…I don’t know if he even made an
appearance really in the second half. To leave all that talent on
the sideline is, you know, upsetting. I mean we can get both of
them on the field.” Tramaine Thompson, K-State
wide receiver, 810 AM GH: WHB carries the K-State games
and Kevin Kietzman is a well-known alum and Catbacker. Kietzman
played these quotes on his Tuesday afternoon show and discussed his
concerns with Todd Leabo. BTW; Tramaine’s Twitter handle is
“You know what he needs to do? Pick
a quarterback.” Kevin Kietzman, on how Snyder
can fix his offense, 810 AM GH: Snyder has about as much
goodwill stored in his locker as any coach in any job. But not even
HCBS’s reputation can withstand losing. Kietzman thinks he should
pick a QB and stick with either a passing offense or a run-based
attack. Snyder disagrees. He believes both quarterbacks have played
well at times and he continues to rotate them at Oklahoma State on
  “It’s disturbing, and
No. 1, I don’t understand it, and No. 2, I’m pretty confident that
whatever may have been said in a negative fashion doesn’t represent
the support base for this program. It is a shame when somebody can
just (get on a computer) and do that without making eye contact.
Those same people wouldn’t walk into this building and look me in
the eye and say that, I’ll tell you that.” Bill
, on the negative tweets directed at Jake Waters
after his play against Texas, kansascity.com GH: Snyder’s
disdain for Twitter and social media set off a rant by Kevin
Kietzman that I found entertaining, telling and a whole lot of
ironic. Read on.
“It’s not social media! It’s not social
interaction! It’s all garbage and trash!” Kevin
, 810 AM GH: Snyder mentioned how wrong
he feels it is for an anonymous and faceless critic to be able to
voice their venom toward an athlete in a very public forum. Sounds
a lot like sports talk radio, doesn’t it? Read on.

“Consultants tell me to tweet during Chiefs games. Really? Why? So
when I tweet something about the Chiefs scoring a touchdown 27
people call me a d-bag and start calling me names? And just start
flaming at me that I should die and not be on the radio? … It’s
perverted and it’s sick!” Kevin Kietzman, 810 AM
GH: Kevin Kietzman has fashioned a very successful career
out of being a sports talk radio shock jock. His popularity and the
overall success of WHB can at least in part (and I would argue a
LARGE part) be attributed to the caustic critical comments made by
hosts, guests and anonymous callers. So maybe KK knows how Carl
Peterson felt about how Kietzman and Jack Harry firebombed him and
his Chiefs all those years? I don’t see a lot of difference.
“They all think their clever and they’re smart and they’re
dumb.” Kevin Kietzman, on those who tweet, 810
AM GH: Go ahead and try this – replace Kietzman’s name on
his quotes with Carl Peterson or Ned Yost and see if it makes a lot
of sense.
“It is insane! Because you’re sitting in front
of a television set in your living room – all of a sudden you’re
cool? Get a life! It’s pathetic! It’s anti-social media is what it
is! It’s not social!” Kevin Kietzman, 810 AM
GH: What is one of the biggest criticisms of those in the
media who are not fans of Kietzman? That he doesn’t cover the
sporting events live or attend press conferences or take part in
post-game locker room interviews. No, he sits on his couch in his
living room and formulates expert opinions that he espouses for 20
hours each week on a 50,000-watt radio station. And if we are to
believe the hype, “the most powerful sports talk radio station in
the country!”
“You don’t take the heat that I take.”
Kevin Kietzman, talking to Todd Leabo after
Leabo expressed his opinion that Twitter can also be positive and
supportive, 810 AM “I certainly don’t take the heat that you take.
The great number of people who follow you or tweet you aren’t going
to be mean. You’re in a different spot because you’re in the
media.” Todd Leabo, 810 AM “I like the Internet
and I like following people on Twitter. Twitter’s a nice resource.
For people in the media like us to see what’s going on. There are
reputable people that we can follow on Twitter that help us do our
jobs.” Kevin Kietzman, 810 AM GH: Now
Kietzman sounds like the newspaper folks who treated sports talk
radio like it was a child in the Pentagon of journalism. So in KK’s
mind Twitter is appropriate “for people in the media like us.”
Newsflash, Kev. Twitter is sports talk radio without your
screeners. Without your dump button. How ironic that Kietzman is
now using the very same arguments against a technology that
obviously confuses and confounds him – no differently than those
who mocked sports talk radio.
“Are you glad he doesn’t
critique you at your job? Kevin Kietzman’s Between the Lines…”
Promo for Kietzman’s Between the Line show on
810 AM GH: It appears Kietzman is all for promoting
critical comments as long as he is the one doing the commenting and
it is on his radio station and not a more technical format. And
Kevin thinks the newspaper is old fashioned in their way of

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37 Responses to OTC: Trouble In K-State Paradise / Kietzman Calls Twitter “All Garbage & Trash”

  1. nick says:

    Watched the DT documentary last night. Very well done. Some of the footage I either have never seen or don’t remember. The bird’s eye shot from a military jet headed towards a packed Arrowhead gave me chills.

    I have no idea how we will be judged when our time’s come, but DT’s heart seemed pretty big. I concur with Marty and Carl that DT’s smile was infectious. That attribute alone maybe made enough people feel good to cover up a multitude of his misgivings. I have an old 58 jersey and when I pull it on every now and then, I wear it proudly.

  2. mike t. says:

    awww… kk takes some heat. gets pissed, flustered and embarrassed so doesn’t play in the sandbox. sounds like it could be the story of a children’s book. grow a pair, you whiney chickenshit douche.

    • Kyle says:

      +1. The guy is a complete freaking joke. He has no spine, bags on other all the time, yet gets pissed when he gets it back. He is the true definition of a spoiled brat loser.

    • JP says:

      +1 as well. KK’s station morning show lives on the social media posts. Why is he getting so upset. The fact is he doesn’t like to be questioned on anything. If that’s the case, he picked the wrong career. Furthermore, if Bill Snyder said that K State fans should all jump off bridges, KK would be defending Snyder and looking for a bridge himself.

      • Barles James says:

        I agree with the contradictions you’re pointing out, but his job is to troll and get people talking – and look at this, it worked!

  3. b12 says:

    Old Man Kissel, what say you?

    • Guy Who Says What Others Think says:

      Who cares?

    • Old Man Kissel says:

      I’m right here. I’m not hard to find.

      KK is right about Twitter. It’s a tool for followers…not leaders.

      For the most part social media has made done nothing more then create a generation of me first, fame hungry psychos.

      Here is the perfect example of the ills of social media, from a University of Michigan study.

      “A new study shows that Facebook may help people feel connected, but it doesn’t make them any happier. In fact, according to the research, which was conducted by the University of Michigan, Facebook use actually predicts a decline in a person’s well-being.

      “The study used 82 young adults, all of whom had smartphones and Facebook accounts. The researchers then used experience-sampling to measure how the users think, felt and behaved by texting them at random times five days a week for two weeks. Each text contained a link to an online survey with five questions, including how the Facebook user felt at that moment, how worried he/she was and how lonely the user felt at that time. The study concluded that the more the subjects used Facebook during one time period, the worse they felt.”

      “Additionally, researchers had the test subjects rate their level of life satisfaction at the start and end of the study. They found that the more participants used Facebook over the research period, the more their life satisfaction levels decreased.”

      Here is the whole article. http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0069841

      Good for KK for being ahead of the curve. One again….

      810 scoops 610 once again

      • Kyle says:

        If he was talking about Facebook he would be right. It’s poison for the mind. Twitter is completely different. It’s fastest newsbreaking medium we have. Love it.

  4. BlackJack says:

    Not to defend KK – he certainly doesn’t need my sympathy, but I think what he is referring to is not the people who tweet him to argue with or criticize one of KK’s opinions or observations, but more just the outright mean-spirited name calling that goes on in many of the anonymous, social media forums. “whiney chickenshit douche.” should actually refer to the many faceless, nameless users who comment on a website and hurl insults and disparaging remarks that they would NEVER say face-to-face to someone.

    Nobody knows how to actually debate something intelligently any more, so they take the easy way out and resort to playground trash-talking, because it is lazy and nobody can hold you accountable over the WWW.

    • Kyle says:

      There have been MANY people over the years try to call in and tell him what they think of them and he hangs up. As thin skinned as they come.

    • Alphonse Tooty says:

      I generally agree, but getting so worked up over things said by anonymous people on the internet provides a real good illustration of KK’s insecurity.

  5. Joey says:

    Hey Greg – Did you catch the 30 minute Neilbonics special with Chris Rose that immediately followed A Football Life last night? I am disappointed that you failed to mention this in OTC today.

    • Guy Who Says What Others Think says:

      Listening to Neil Smith speak is just brutal. He makes me just cringe as he slaughters basic English.

      • Fred Flintstone says:

        It actually makes me laugh. He and Gary Joslin, when he say’s “Jewlrepair” for “Jewelry Repair” Take the marbles out of your mouth man, and enunciate.

        • Tim says:

          Actually Fred I hear that Gary is thinking about hiring former NFL stars to start doing his commercials: Neil Smith, Shannon Sharpe, Ray Lewis and Eric Dickerson. At least they would be more understandable.

    • estoniakat says:

      I love Neil Smith. Thanks to Kansas City for letting him go to the Broncos so he could wear a championship ring. ;)

      • JP says:

        Send your flowers and thank yous to Carl Peterson. That decision still makes no sense. Neal flat out said if he got an offer that was close, he would have stayed.

  6. Scott says:

    When it was time for English courses Neil just dissawannbe der

    • Fred Flintstone says:

      My favorite Neilism is when he says, “What’s yur purnt?” instead of “What’s your point?” Kinda like Archie Bunker saying he’s going to the “Turlet” instead of the “Toilet.”

  7. Barles James says:

    It’s interesting re:Manhattan, the team had slowed down its rushing attack as 2012 wore on. The offensive line was supposed to be a strongpoint, but blocking has been horrid. Throw in the two-headed QB play, and things are confusing for the Cats this year. Noone wants to admit it, but this may be a rebuilding year. It will be interesting if 2014 and 2015 can match up with 2011 and 2012, if they really are rebuilding.

    • Kyle says:

      You might want to let Stan Weber know. He predicted 9 wins before the season and possibly 10 if things break the right. Stan is the utmost authority. Just ask KK.

    • estoniakat says:

      The play of the O-line has been gobsmacking from the first game, when they couldn’t generate ANY push.
      I don’t think you can oversell how pissed off Wildcat nation was about the Texas loss. That’s the one game (now that NU turned tail) that KSUers circle on the calendar (at least until KU stops stinking).
      I would put the distraught level higher than the Baylor loss last year. And that only cost a national championship shot.
      Yeah, that bad.

    • Red says:

      This is snyder’s first year since he unretired that he has all of his own recruits. In a typical coaching change, this would be the year when the rebuilding project was finally over and it was time to win. He thought he was getting freeman from prince and lucked into klein instead. His problem is recruiting, just like it was the first time he stepped aside (but didn’t vacate his office) to let another person recruit some players before he came back.

      • Don Fortune says:

        Even perennial national title contenders have rebuilding seasons. I agree that the recruiting has been lackluster, but it has improved. I will take a down year this season if the Cats improve and have another couple years.

  8. Rick says:

    That KK Twitter meltdown rant yesterday cements the fact that KK has made his transformation into Don Fortune complete. He sounded like a sad 60 year old man who is way out of touch. I’ll never forget when Don Fortune was talking about the Gangs in LA and called them “The Bloods and the Crisps”.

    • estoniakat says:

      Cements? He’s been wearing concrete galoshes for quite awhile, IMO. Actually, I think that the Border Patrol and The Program are better than Between the Lines.
      I wish Leabo would get his own gig; he’s mostly wasted paired with KK.
      Why Frank Boal still gets regular appearances … has he said anything noteworthy in 5 years?
      Petro is the undisputed heavyweight at that station right now.

  9. Andrew says:

    “They all think their clever and their smart and they’re dumb.” *they’re

  10. Gassedup says:

    “Kevin is it too early to start talking about K State in the BCS Championship game? I’ll hang up and listen off the air.”

  11. bargish says:

    “Kansas State is one of the friendliest campuses I have ever visited”
    . back in the Nam days, if you were a G.I. from Fort Riley trying to have a nite out at in Aggieville.. errmm.. not so much.

    also, goobers standing up shouting “good for a K-State first down” when they’re up by 40 pts in the 4th quarter also annoying

  12. Ed Connealy (@edcfromkc) says:

    He’s the new Don Fortune.

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