OTC: Will KSU Be Even Better W/O Klein? Will KU Be Better? Will Franklin Move MU?

“I think this kid would have beaten Collin Klein out last year. It is exciting that Jake Waters won this job! I think this kid has a chance to be something special.”
Kevin Kietzman, on KSU’s first-year quarterback from Iowa Western Community College, 810 AM
GH: Many Wildcat fans thought Daniel Sams would be the man to replace the Heisman’s second runner-up but Waters outplayed him according to Bill Snyder. Is Kietzman being a bit goofy in saying Waters would have beat out Klein last season? Sure, but that’s what fans do.  

Like (Michael) Bishop, Waters is coming off a national juco championship. Waters engineered Iowa Western on an undefeated title run a year ago, throwing for 3,501 yards, including a 32-of-40 performance for 306 yards in the national championship game against Butler. … If Waters comes out against North Dakota State on Friday and directs the Wildcats to six touchdowns on their first seven possessions, then we’ll talk. That’s what Bishop did in his K-State debut, at Northern Illinois.”
Kevin Haskin, columnist, Topeka Capital Journal
GH: Haskin sounds a bit more realistic about Waters’ potential than Kietzman. But make no mistake, the Purple People expect great things from Waters and the Cats this season. The Big 12 coaches picked them to finish sixth? So who is right?

“Some rough patches await, just like with any new quarterback, including Bishop once. Yet that is where Snyder comes in. He’s capable of smoothing Waters.”
Kevin Haskin, columnist, Topeka Capital Journal
GH: Some believe Snyder is capable of walking on water. It will be fun to watch and see if Snyder can do what he did with the Collin Klein naysayers – keep Waters from turning into whines.

“I’m calling ten wins and a repeat. No shared big 12 title with (Oklahoma).”
Nick Leckey, former Wildcat, on his prediction for Kansas State football in 2013, 810 AM
GH: Kansas State football fans are a lot like Nebraska fans – there are no down off-seasons.

“They could be better and have the same record.”
Dennis Dodd, on Charlie Weis’ second-year Kansas Jayhawks who finished 1-11 last season, 810 AM

“You hurt the feelings of a 20-year-old who couldn’t tackle me if I was standing still?”
Sean Salisbury, when asked about Charlie Weis calling last year’s KU team “a pile of crap,” 810 AM

“6 is the highest number of wins any KU football fan has even dared hope for in my mentions. Man.”
Tully Corcoran, @tullycorcoran, Twitter
GH: Six wins for Kansas football after Turner Gill and then Charlie Weis’ 1-11 season would be like Andrew Wiggins showing up at Allen Fieldhouse…as a sophomore.

“Behind closed doors, our expectations are much higher than everyone else’s. The reason people pick you tenth in the league is because you haven’t beaten anybody! So there’s no sense talking about it until you start beating somebody. But obviously inside our walls that’s not where we see ourselves.”
Charlie Weis, on his KU football team, Fox Sports
GH: I get the feeling from Weis – despite his “pile of crap” comment – that he thinks a lot more highly of his team and their chances in 2013 than he is letting on. The Jayhawks will wait another week before they play South Dakota on September 7th and then head to Rice September 14th for their toughest non-con  game. That game at Rice might tell us a lot about whether or not KU has a real team this season or just another appetizer for their basketball season.

“He’s 100% healthy. … I think he can become a great player.”
Gary Pinkel, on MU quarterback, James Franklin, Fox Sports
GH: If Kansas State thought they had a quarterback controversy this summer, they haven’t been paying attention to what has been going on in Columbia the past 12 months. A large number of Mizzou fans are not happy that their Tigers got kicked around in the SEC like they were Iowa State. James Franklin’s play was the focal point of much of their angst. Many hoped redshirt freshman QB, Maty Mauk, would be the second-coming of Chase Daniel and rescue the Tigers this season. But Franklin and his almost too-poised pose in the pocket are back. Read on.

“Decision to start Franklin doesn’t surprise me (or anyone who’s paid attention). Decision to announce it publicly does.”
Gabe DeArmond, @GabeDeArmond, after Pinkel went public with his decision to start Franklin a month before the first game, Twitter
GH: I think Pinkel knew of the growing animosity toward Franklin (which he helped fuel last season by stating Franklin refused to play with an injury) and decided to get out ahead of the critics. It has worked – so far.

“Gary Pinkel’s not stupid. He thinks the best way to win is playing Franklin, not Mauk.”
Sean Salisbury, 810 AM
GH: I think Franklin is going to have a great season in the SEC and that Mauk will benefit from another year of learning. One thing is pretty clear – Pinkel’s offense needs a great quarterback to be effective. Without a good season from his QB, this will likely be Pinkel’s last at MU.

“We want to get back in the winner’s circle. You know? Missouri wins. We want to get back in the SEC and prove that we belong in this league. It’s a great, great league and we want to be a player in it.”
Gary Pinkel, Fox Sports
GH: I thought Mizzou had a chance to be good in the SEC last season. I was wrong. I think they have a chance again this year to be very good. I might be wrong again. But damn I can’t wait to see what happens.  

“It’s my time.”
Dorial Green-Beckham, @DorialGB5, Mizzou’s sophomore wide receiver, Twitter
GH: If I am an SEC defensive back…this tweet would scare me.  

“This (Johnny Manziel) is not a good person. This is a young man with some issues. Maybe he’s just a jerk. … Collin Klein finished third last year in the Heisman Trophy. You won’t see any of these issues with Collin Klein. He wasn’t taking money to sign (autographs). You didn’t have any problems with Collin Klein. He’s a good person. He’s grounded. … If I was on that Heisman committee I’d strip him of that trophy and take it back.”
Kevin Kietzman, 810 AM
GH: I do not understand the overwhelming vitriol about Johnny Football. I get it that some K-State fans hate him because he was awarded the Heisman and Collin Klein was not – but is that really Manziel’s fault? When you list all that Manziel is supposedly guilty of this off season, it really doesn’t add up to much more than a young college kid being a young college kid. I hope he gets to play this season and kicks the SEC in the teeth again. 

“College athletes w/eligibility left have been signing for $ for years now. Most have been smart to limit people who see signing.”
Darren Rovell, @darrenrovell, Twitter

“If (Manziel) sold his signature, the Heisman Trophy winner embodies selfishness. … The Texas A&M quarterback doesn’t need the cash. His family has a small fortune from Texas oil, as detailed in Wright Thompson’s ESPN piece. Paul Manziel bought his son a black Mercedes because, well, Johnny wanted one. In other words, this is not a player saying he can’t afford a winter coat.
Teddy Greenstein, columnist, Chicago Tribune
GH: So Greenstein thinks Manziel is even a worse guy because his family is rich? He drives an expensive car his daddy bought him? Sounds like most of the kids at Blue Valley North.

“The guy that owns Varney’s (in Manhattan) bought the KU Bookstore in Lawrence.”
Caller, to Kevin Kietzman’s show, 810 AM
GH: It’s all just business until you start mixing K-State purple with KU blue. Does this guy have a shop in Columbia too?

“Ladies and Gentlemen, Please join me in congratulating George Brett on making his 4th career Hole-in-One today. While playing with his buddies, (Jigger James, Bryan Norton and David Rismiller), George “jarred” it again with his 8 iron from 165 yards on Hole #11. If you don’t remember, George did the same thing, on the same hole, with the same club, 28 days ago! It must have been those lucky TaylorMade Lethal “#5” golf balls he grabbed in the golf shop before he teed off today!! Congratulations George!!”
Jeff King, Head PGA Golf Professional, in a recent note to members, Mission Hills Country Club
GH: Good to know George is using his time away from babysitting Moose and the boys to enjoy his kind of retirement. Four aces in his career? That is playing some serious golf!

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37 Responses to OTC: Will KSU Be Even Better W/O Klein? Will KU Be Better? Will Franklin Move MU?

  1. JP says:

    I am sick of the coverage of Johnny Football Manziel. You can thank ESPN for the 24/7 coverage of the Heisman winner. He had a great year, but I believe reality will hit hard this season and it will start when Bama goes in and exacts revenge against the Aggies.

    That being said, his Heisman campaign was all about the media playing him up, and the win over Bama last year. Klein did get the shaft, but recall that he finished 3d and that Man’ti Teo’ (hope the pronunciation is correct) beat him out in votes as well. That Baylor defeat killed more than K State’s national title hopes.

    Finally, let’s just give the Heisman to the top player in the SEC since that is all ESPN will be talking about for the next 3 months on their College Football coverage.

  2. Kyle says:

    KK would make every excuse for Manziel known to man if he wore purple. If I was a k-stater I would be embarrassed that this troll represents my university on a daily basis on the KC airwaves.

    • Big D in the O says:

      While Im not embarrassed he is on the airwaves it gets embarrassing when he (or other purple brethren) brings up CK as getting slighted or how he is such a better person. No he did not get slighted. He did not perform on the biggest stage when he needed to. Simple as that. Still amazing he made it to the top 3. If it went to the most “model citizen” them my man CK wins in a landslide.

      KSU gets 9 wins
      KU gets 4 wins….Chaz Bono leaves after next year.

      • Twy's Gibman says:

        He hardly “represents the university,” and I’ll point out he’s less of a homer than Fescoe is for Kansas, though Fescoe puts it on more as an act.
        Can’t wait for college football to get going, should be a fun year!

        • sporty says:

          Fescoe is like fingernails on a chalkboard. His KU homerism is not only unprofessional, it’s usually laughable.

  3. Kyle Rohde says:

    Greenstein’s column isn’t saying Manziel is a bad guy; it’s saying that he’s an even bigger idiot than most for taking money he didn’t need to jeopardize his college career and the NFL one that would follow.

    You’re right, Greg, that Manziel hasn’t done anything a normal 20 year old wouldn’t…but he’s not a normal 20 year old. Most in his position are smart enough to keep a lower profile and not create the controversies Manziel has, though I think he doesn’t care. However, saying he’s not a good person is typical KK trolling.

    No way does KU only win one game again. They were within a touchdown of winning five different times last year and had probably the best or second best rushing attack in the B12, despite having an awful defense and an even worse QB. Here’s my predictions:

    South Dakota – win
    at Rice – win
    La Tech – win
    Tech – win
    at TCU – loss
    OU – loss
    Baylor – loss
    at Texas – win (KU has been so close against UT and is just due for a big upset – hasn’t happened yet this century!)
    at OSU – loss
    WVU – win
    at ISU – loss
    KSU – loss

    That’d be 6-6…and I’d be thrilled with 4 or 5 wins.

    Yes, these are optimistic KU fan predictions.

    • KCPRGuy says:

      i don’t see KU beating Texas in Austin but I guess you never know, I hate the line all commentators make – “they could have the same record and be better.” No. It just doesn’t work that way. A 1-11 season is still 1-11. That means you are a shitty football team. I’m not expecting much from KU this year other than some better QB play. That could be enough to get them to 3 wins.

      • JP says:

        I think KU gets 5 wins. They will win all the Non Cons plus Tech and one more upset, Either West Virginia or maybe Iowa State. Weis has them on a positive trajectory and this should be an interesting Fall in Lawrence. At least it appears the Turner Gill type days are behind them.

  4. Bill says:

    “It’s my time.”
    Dorial Green-Beckham, @DorialGB5, Mizzou’s sophomore wide receiver, Twitter
    GH: If I am an SEC defensive back…this tweet would scare me.

    I’ll believe it when I see it, Greg. I am still not buying the DGB hype. The kid was a better basketball player than football player who got his No. 1 overall ranking thanks to combine testing and a chump schedule. Never did much against good competition in high school, either.

  5. Jeff Gelski says:

    I never see SEC defenders show much fear. DGB should have a great year (let’s say 60 catches and 8 TDs is possible), but that was not a smart comment. Don’t give SEC defensive backs any reason for motivation to stop you.

  6. nick says:

    Waters better than last year’s Klein? An out-right league Championship?

    Whoa! KSU fans are setting themselves up for disappointment. K-State will compete, as they always do, but losing Klein and a ton of defensive players is gonna make the Big 12-opening roadies at Texas and Ok State VERY challenging. Lose those 2 games, and who knows how the team will respond.

    I’m really excited about KU football. Can’t wait. I feel they’ll win at least 4 games, and as many as 7.

    As for Johnny Manziel, I just want to see him play.

  7. Gavin says:

    I also think Weis likes this team a little more than he’s letting on. But it’s not as if he can say that. The Jayhawks have done nothing to earn any respect and there are a ton of question marks about this team. All that being said, I still think I’ll have quite a bit of fun watching them this season. God bless Kyle for predicting a bowl game and wouldn’t I love for him to be correct, but I think we win four games this season. Which I can live with as that would establish something of a foundation for next season.

    • mike t. says:

      agree, gavin. i can’t say i’m “excited” excited to see how KU does this season, but i’m looking forward to seeing progress, some good (heh) football, and few more wins in the column.

    • Kyle Rohde says:

      I’m ok with four too…but I think they will have a lot of close games again and maybe a couple go KU’s way this year. 6 baby, 6!

  8. Orphan of the Road says:

    If they predict KU to finish last in the Big 12, then they should finish in 12th, not 10th place. No wonder kids can’t do math anymore.

    Nothing says selfishness like the NCAA’s “protection” of student athletes while exploiting their talents and setting them up for future health problems.

    Gary (Hic) Pinkel is not stupid sez Sean Salisbury. Let’s look at this statement.

    Sean sez (Hic) Pinkel is not stupid.
    Sean got fired for stupid.
    Empirical evidence says Gary (Hic) Pinkel is stupid.

  9. Arte says:

    Imagine if John Riggins or Namath were playing in the media spotlight of today? They’d make Johnny Football’s antics seem like kindergarten stuff.

  10. Rob J says:

    What does Jayice Pearson say about all this? I haven’t heard his voice in a while. 610 refuses to comment on it.

    • Phaedrus says:

      I think Jayice is busy with his tv duties, so he’s not on the radio much in the fall. Isn’t he an college football color analyst for games on some Fox station?

      I seem to remember getting excited last year when I didn’t hear him on the radio much…

      • Rob J says:

        He’s off the website totally.if this was 810 it would be the biggest controversy ever because a concept failed.nJust saying, I’m an 810 brasher as well but let’s give equal time here when warranted.

  11. Ultimate Dude says:

    KU will beat Texas in Austin??? Baaaahahaha!!! 7 wins?? Baaahahahaha. My god, my stomach hurts so bad from laughing while reading these comments from ku football fans. I didn’t realize there were ku football fans, but the delusion matches their bball comments yearly so it must be the same fanbase. “We are, We will, We deserve!!”

    This year may be “toenails” Snyder’s biggest challenge in some time at KSU. Although the league is down with OSU being the fav and OU and UT being nothing comparable to what they used to be. 7-2 should win the league but OSU will finish better than that. KSU 7-5, ku 2-10.

    Mizzou has a healthy Franklin and Henry Josey. If they can get back to 2011 form, they will do better in the SEC. They have pretty impressive depth at WR with DGB, Marcus Lucas, Ledamien Washington, Bud Sasser, Jimmy Hunt and the Texas transfer whose name is escaping me. The offense should take huge strides forward while the defense will take a step back. I’m going with 7-5.

    Still L’gMAO with the ku for 7 wins and winning in Austin. Great stuff!! Hysterical


    • Big D in the O says:

      Problem is their 2011 B12 form does not translate to 2013 SEC success. You may be as delusional as some Ku fans of which you are so amused. 5-7 for MU. Pinkel makes like an empty stomach and is Ghandi.

      • Ultimate Dude says:

        Actually 3-5 in conference is an improvement as well as not very impressive. 4-0 non-con would make for 7-5. Delusional, I know.

    • Kyle Rohde says:

      Notice I said it would be a huge upset. Almost every lower-tier team pulls a big upset once in a while, and KU hasn’t done it yet this century, so just by the law of averages it’s gotten happen sometime.

      That’s all I meant – not saying it’s a guaranteed win.

  12. Uncle Dick says:

    What time is that, DGB, 4:20?

  13. husker82 says:

    The thing that upsets me about the Johnny Football coverage is that it is cutting into Tim Bebow coverage. I’d just love it if ESPN could go 24/7 with Johnny Football on ESPN and 24/7 with Tim Tebow on ESPN2! Oh, boy would that be great.

    • JP says:

      Throw in what Lebron James thinks on all things sports and what he tweeted on ESPN News and you have the present day ESPN

      • Guy Who Says What Others Think says:

        ESPN cannot do the above. It would cut into their constant coverage of the Red Sox and Yankees.

  14. BS says:

    Salisbury lost to Kansas in 1983. true story.

  15. BlackJack says:

    Maybe all three MU, KU and K-State can each get a mediocre 6-7 wins, squeak into a meaningless bowl game against an easily-forgotten oppenent. Boy, that would be a special, special season now, wouldn’t it?

    But that’s college football for ya..

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